All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

[Animavore]

I'm not ignoring this charge btw, but I've yet to get you to retract the first lie. There's little incentive for me to rush off onto the next accusation.

Which lie?

[Animavore]

The cartoon follows the events as they happened. The first panel, not quite correctly, says the kids accosted the Native American. The white guy rushes in (like Cunt) to say "a new two hour video has emerged", supposedly exonerating them of being racist little shits because it shows it was in fact the Indian dude walked up to them. The next person says, paraphrasing, "Well they still said a load of racist shit" (ie. the two hour video makes them look worse, not better). To which whitey says, "But what about the black people?"

[Sean Hayden]

It's piss poor political discourse. The facts don't matter, or at least there is a set of facts that supercede reality on the ground.

--revolution baby, we'll get there, but not before my kids and I have lived a good life hopefully.

[Tero]

[Animavore]

[Cunt]

Hmm. My question was: do you think the turpitude of one person justifies the turpitude of another? I asked this question because you cited the media as culpable in response to a cartoon which implied Trump has been engaging in hatemongery. I'm not interested in you as person in that way - but I am interested in your views. This is me wanting to know about your views, not about you in the personal sense. On that matter I'll draw my own conclusions privately.

You can't even acknowledge that the caravan is marching to commit a crime.

Illegal immigration is criminal. Doing it makes one guilty of a crime. It really isn't complicated.

You get pissy because the government continues to call them criminals, while the media insists that they are migrants, dreamers and desperate people.

Go ahead and chalk up a win for yourself here, but I still have a reasonable position that the media is unfairly attacking the current government.

What have they done in 2019? Claimed that Trump ordered his toadie to lie (Muller popped up long enough to call bullshit), then they fell for a bullshit scam where they blamed first magateen, then blamed the 'stolen valor' elder. They still haven't gotten around to blaming the black isrealites, but they still haven't done much reporting on whether this media attack, with so many similarities to other, known IRA attacks, was done by one party, the other, or agents unknown.

So yeah, you go ahead and believe Trump is evil, but while you insist that he is hatemongering, I'm seeing better treatment of criminals (criminal justice reform bill) and you refuse to take the side of law-abiding immigrants, who don't want to be flooded with illegal immigrants either.

[Animavore]

[Brian Peacock]

I'm here criticising the kids and, by extension, their parents and school, for their racism and sexism and truly disgusting comments and you keep trying to deflect on to the behaviour of other people involved as if their behaviour negates the kids'. That's "whataboutism" in a nutshell.

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 4#p1811724
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1811830

[Brian Peacock]

Hmm. My question was: do you think the turpitude of one person justifies the turpitude of another? I asked this question because you cited the media as culpable in response to a cartoon which implied Trump has been engaging in hatemongery. I'm not interested in you as person in that way - but I am interested in your views. This is me wanting to know about your views, not about you in the personal sense. On that matter I'll draw my own conclusions privately.

You can't even acknowledge that the caravan is marching to commit a crime.

Illegal immigration is criminal. Doing it makes one guilty of a crime. It really isn't complicated.

You get pissy because the government continues to call them criminals, while the media insists that they are migrants, dreamers and desperate people.

Go ahead and chalk up a win for yourself here, but I still have a reasonable position that the media is unfairly attacking the current government.

What have they done in 2019? Claimed that Trump ordered his toadie to lie (Muller popped up long enough to call bullshit), then they fell for a bullshit scam where they blamed first magateen, then blamed the 'stolen valor' elder. They still haven't gotten around to blaming the black isrealites, but they still haven't done much reporting on whether this media attack, with so many similarities to other, known IRA attacks, was done by one party, the other, or agents unknown.

So yeah, you go ahead and believe Trump is evil, but while you insist that he is hatemongering, I'm seeing better treatment of criminals (criminal justice reform bill) and you refuse to take the side of law-abiding immigrants, who don't want to be flooded with illegal immigrants either.

[Cunt]

I'm here criticising the kids and, by extension, their parents and school, for their racism and sexism and truly disgusting comments and you keep trying to deflect on to the behaviour of other people involved as if their behaviour negates the kids'. That's "whataboutism" in a nutshell.

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 4#p1811724
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1811830

Why not try to figure out who really started it?

The groups at the memorial were just a few groups of random assholes. Not really noteworthy.

The account which painted the story and spread it at first, IS the one responsible. Operated much like the IRA in their election interference (according to McKnew's assessment of IRA election interference) and not a single one of you seems interested.

Just keep the fighting among the four groups of citizens. That's probably best for whoever started this. (1. magateens, 2. indiginous protesters 3. isrealite protesters 4. unwitting journalists accepting the original tweeted story)

[Cunt]

Spout all the bullshit you want. You have accepted a bunch of lies about Trump, because you can't see anything but hate.

Why not pick one of your bullshits apart, for fun. You said he mocked disabled people. I've seen him mock a disabled reporter, but considering that he mocks reporters pretty consistently, it seems he is just treating the disabled reporter as a REPORTER, rather than as a disabled.

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah, I've seen the video. He mocked a guy's appearance and did a silly voice while batting away the same guy's claim that Trump said he'd seen 2000 Muslims celebrating in New York when the Twin Towers came down - something which is a matter of public record and a statement Trump has never retracted btw.



And he mocks people on their personal attributes all the time doesn't he? Their looks, their IQ, their ethnic antecedence, whatever? As I said, I don't think that is reasonable behaviour, especially from someone with the media profile of the president of the US.

But I don't hate him - for that or for anything - but if you find it helps then keep believing that I do, and while you're at it you might as well keep believing that if I don't agree with you on human rights issues and immigration policy then I basically want free, unregulated open national boarders. Whatevers...

[Sean Hayden]

What's wrong with a guy that doesn't understand that mocking a person's disability is mocking disabled people? I mean, this same guy thinks mocking an idiot in a maga hat is being unfair to all Trump supporters.

I'm no longer sure he's trolling.

[Tero]

Worker: I'd like to borrow money for food.
Bank: We can give you a bigger mortgage. Or you could buy a car.
Worker: I don't need a car, I need food.
Bank: How about a Home Improvement Loan? You could eat on that for a week or two. You could even start the project while you are not working.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... d_nn_fb_ma

[Cunt]

And he mocks people on their personal attributes all the time doesn't he? Their looks, their IQ, their ethnic antecedence, whatever? As I said, I don't think that is reasonable behaviour, especially from someone with the media profile of the president of the US.

My guess is that, whatever you think a president ought to be, you will never be elected.

Maybe you have some incorrect assumption which prevents you from understanding the job, or how to get it.

As to the mocking, I think that if he mocked everyone except the reporter who had a disability, THAT would be pretty shitty.

Of course, you are welcome to disagree, but how would you feel if we all decided that we should never speak harshly to Brian Peacock?

Or we should only call out racism when it is against the weak races?

You can keep hating him for treating the reporter with a disability as a reporter FIRST, I would not. You can keep insisting that he and the country that elected him are racist, when there is no better country to be a minority. You can keep insisting that others are stupid because they haven't reached the same conclusion as you, but I don't accept.

But I don't hate him - for that or for anything - but if you find it helps then keep believing that I do, and while you're at it you might as well keep believing that if I don't agree with you on human rights issues and immigration policy then I basically want free, unregulated open national boarders. Whatevers...

If you don't hate him, how about an experiment?

Tell me what are the best things he has done for the country, and outline some of the clear media bias against him.

I don't think he is all good, but with so much bullshit flying around at him, it's pretty easy to dismiss the personal attacks and namecalling. I'm not convinced that you have a balanced opinion on the matter.

Was Trumps government horrible for gassing the gang attempting to force the border (they were throwing rocks at agents, too)? Or was Hussein's government more horrible because of how much more tear gas they used in similar contexts?

With this column of people attempting to force their way into the US, what do you think will happen with them if they are turned away? Will they just go home? Accept hospitality from another country?

Or is there simply no way for them to be turned back, in your worldview?