All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

[Cunt]

I guess another way to describe this is to consider what happens close to us.

Babies aren't responsible for anything - not even their own bladders.

Children begin taking responsibility for themselves.

Teens begin to take responsibility for others (coaching, mentoring, babysitting younger siblings etc.)

Adults take full responsibility for themselves, and begin accepting responsibility for others.

Older adults take on more community responsibility, and often start recognizing more of their role in the world, and take a bit more responsibility for that.

This is why so often, as people get older, their political stance shifts from 'youthful and more liberal' to 'mature and more conservative'.

[Tero]

From spending to penny pinching.

[Cunt]

From spending to penny pinching.

Yup. As our understanding of our responsibilities matures, that is the natural flow.

[Tero]

Cunt with his buddies in old age

[Cunt]

none of them are tall enough, but not bad. The middle one is at least close to my hat.

[Sean Hayden]

It's a bit gay to ignore cunt...

No-one wants to hear about the responsibilities they have been ignoring.

We are 'they', with disturbing frequency.

I asked you to define what you meant by a destroyed life. You said being imprisoned for life. Well, that rules out a lot of enforcement which wouldn't lead to destroyed lives. So I asked you to try again. Instead, you ignored the question and wandered off again and I got angry. You're a very annoying person. It doesn't help that you see yourself as being something else entirely.


Now you've gone off crazy and doubled down on your original bullshit with all sorts of accusations. Why don't you back up and substantiate your first claim that I'm responsible for drone strikes and gitmo because I voted for Obama, and then also how support for a law is support for destroying lives.

Can you do that?

[Tero]

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[JimC]

It's a bit gay to ignore cunt...

No-one wants to hear about the responsibilities they have been ignoring.

We are 'they', with disturbing frequency.

I'll decide what my responsibilities are, not you.

[Cunt]

It's a bit gay to ignore cunt...

No-one wants to hear about the responsibilities they have been ignoring.

We are 'they', with disturbing frequency.

I asked you to define what you meant by a destroyed life. You said being imprisoned for life. Well, that rules out a lot of enforcement which wouldn't lead to destroyed lives.

This is where you are wrong, cupcake.

It's probably because you haven't had a shit life. Good for you. I am not surprised that you can't wrap your head around having your life ruined by being 'enforced'.

Maybe back off hating me and being insulted for a minute and try to understand.

Seriously, any law you vote for can ruin lives. Maybe you should name a specific if you think it can't. I'll then walk your example through jailing someone forever/ruining their lives.

Our enforcement has a LOT of force behind it. A good reminder is to look carefully at the plaintiff in criminal cases.

So I asked you to try again. Instead, you ignored the question and wandered off again and I got angry. You're a very annoying person. It doesn't help that you see yourself as being something else entirely.

You don't think enforcement can ruin lives. I don't understand how to convince you, except to say that it is a HUGE power, and I'm glad someone who doesn't appreciate its sheer power, doesn't hold much of it.

[Cunt]

I'll decide what my responsibilities are, not you.

Of course, it's always up to the individual, how much responsibility they are willing to take on.
Tell me JimC, if your security forces are not your responsibility, who's responsibility then? Your parents? Your kids? Your elected officials?

I avoid lots of my responsibilities, but I can usually admit when I'm doing it.

[Sean Hayden]

You know I've done time, goofball.

I'm asking you to define what you mean by a destroyed life. Apparently, you can't do it. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

You want it to be the possibility of being imprisoned, but that ain't it. Plenty of people have been imprisoned and live normal lives today. Many have not been so lucky, but few would say being imprisoned was the sole cause of their troubles. If simply being imprisoned doesn't destroy your life then supporting laws that may lead to imprisonment doesn't mean supporting destroying lives.

Of course there is also the possibility of supporting laws while disagreeing with most sentencing for those who break them. (e.g. supporting speed limits but disagreeing with high fines)

So, try to expand on what you mean by a destroyed life and how my support for a law means I support destroying lives.

[Sean Hayden]

if your security forces are not your responsibility, who's responsibility then?

--google chain of command, for Jim you'll want to do something like Australia's armed forces chain of command.

Where do you think it says JimC?

[Cunt]

You know I've done time, goofball.

I'm asking you to define what you mean by a destroyed life. Apparently, you can't do it. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

I didn't say jailed.

I said jailed forever.

Of course there is also the possibility of supporting laws while disagreeing with most sentencing for those who break them. (e.g. supporting speed limits but disagreeing with high fines)

So, try to expand on what you mean by a destroyed life and how my support for a law means I support destroying lives.

If you can't imagine our laws being forceful enough to ruin lives, you didn't 'get it' when you went to prison.

It's unlawful (if you are a teen) to throw crabapples at a mail delivery person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest

Of course more happened, but it is not in doubt for me that it was the justice system that destroyed her life.

I would still support laws against throwing crabapples, by the way. I don't wriggle out of that. This horror is my responsibility (and every Canadian)

It's down to this, if you wouldn't kill someone to enforce a law, why would you want it? You can't perform enforcement without FORCE.

[Sean Hayden]

So supporting a law isn't the same as supporting destroying lives. What you wanted to say instead was that lives can be destroyed by an imperfect justice system, and that by supporting any justice system at all I am responsible for those destroyed lives.

I think those who get it wrong within the justice system are responsible.

I remember when my judge was finally voted out --voted out, how crazy is that, voting for judges!-- and a liberal judge won, I turned myself in right away.

[JimC]

I'll decide what my responsibilities are, not you.

Of course, it's always up to the individual, how much responsibility they are willing to take on.
Tell me JimC, if your security forces are not your responsibility, who's responsibility then? Your parents? Your kids? Your elected officials?

I avoid lots of my responsibilities, but I can usually admit when I'm doing it.

Basically, fuck off.

I think maybe Scot is right when he says you are simply a troll. You seem to be on the forum to find ways to irritate people.

Do you actually understand how political and legal structures operate? Do you have a clear idea what individual responsibility means in nations with millions of people?

We do what we can, and most of us don't give a shit about the delusional musings of a right-wing Canadian doper.