Individual-1, a joke or a threat? (talk Trump)

[Forty Two]

Tero, the unpredictable one!

Who could ever predict what he will say next!?

[Cunt]

Tero, the unpredictable one!

Who could ever predict what he will say next!?

His religion may forbid him from saying something loving about Trump in public. Who knows what he thinks in private?

[Forty Two]

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO,” Trump explained in a tweet as Pelosi and Schumer described the walk-out to reporters.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/trump-c ... s-out.html

Trump is right not to trust them. They want him to agree to something without anything for the wall, ostensibly by promising that they'll visit the wall issue later. He just proved they aren't serious about that.

So, fuck them. Good. Stick to your guns, Trump.

Compromise means compromise. I'd side with the Dems on this if they offered $3 billion for the wall, and Trump rejected it. But they aren't. All they offer is smoke and mirrors.

[Sean Hayden]

Again, they are doing the right thing. Trump has to go. Giving him the wall is too risky.

[Sean Hayden]

Why do you want a wall anyway, because Trump promised one?

[Animavore]

The bigger questions are why they want medieval defence systems in 2018 and why they don't care about migrating animals and other environmental factors.

[Cunt]

Both sides have been in favour (in words) of improved border security.

Suddenly, the Dems are fiercely opposed - beyond all sense of scale. The President announced his side of things, and the Dems immediately made their best case for opposing the wall.

Sounded like they didn't have a case, to me, but maybe I missed a few words.

[Sean Hayden]

Hey, I'm all for improved security. In fact, I'm probably more radical than Trump. I think people should want to live in Mexico and elsewhere south of the border at about the same rate as they want to live in the US. Why don't they? What the fuck is wrong down south? I don't know how much good a wall will do, but what about sortin' their shit out?

Why should it be so bad in our own backyard?

[Animavore]

There's an article in the Salt Lake Tribute interviewing refugees and detailing the abuse since Trump came to power and energised and emboldened all the hateful people but I'm geoblocked.

[Forty Two]

Again, they are doing the right thing. Trump has to go. Giving him the wall is too risky.

Why would anyone want to go back to the same old shit pre-Trump? At least he gets things done.

And, I have no doubt he'll get this too.

Schumer and Pelosi are establishment scumbags. And everyone here says they're "right of center" anyway, so I have no idea why folk here support them, since most everyone here says anything right of center is horrible.

[Forty Two]

Why do you want a wall anyway, because Trump promised one?

Border Patrol agents apprehended 27,518 members of family units in December, the highest monthly total on record.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 523034002/ That's contributing to the more than 60,000 total migrants apprehended. And, that's not mentioning the ones that made it through.

That's a fairly big problem, and it's a growing problem as the numbers are increasing. Whether you want to call it a crisis or not, it's a big problem.

Since September, smugglers responsible for moving people from Central America to the U.S. have begun holding migrants on the south side of the border then moving large groups of 100 to 300 people at a time over the border where there is no barrier.

More than 51,000 people were caught illegally entering the United States from Mexico in November, the highest number recorded since Trump took office almost two years ago.

Half of those — 25,172 — were families. That figure is nearly four times more than the 7,000 families apprehended just one year earlier.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... s-official

“Smugglers and traffickers know our loopholes well. The lack of legal tools creates pull factors that invite families to cross the border, because they know upon apprehension we will be required by courts to release them into the interior of our country," DHS spokeswoman Katie Waldman said in a statement.

The continued surge also poses a problem for Border Patrol stations, which lack the capacity to hold more than a few dozen illegal immigrants at once while they are processed.

Massive groups continue to cross the border into remote parts of Arizona and New Mexico.

In an incident earlier this month, three agents found a group of 163 people wandering southern New Mexico. One of the children in that group died hours after being taken into federal custody.

Homan, who retired in June, wants changes to judicial rulings, which currently state families cannot be held more than 20 days. He blamed the government's inability to hold people until their asylum cases are decided for the current surge of migrants headed for the U.S.

The Flores settlement agreement and Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act mandate that both families and unaccompanied minors from countries other than Mexico and Canada cannot be turned away or arrested if they illegally enter the country and must be permitted to apply for asylum.

The majority of families and children apprehended are released from federal custody and told to show up for immigration hearings on their asylum requests, but the majority do not show and disappear into the country. About 4 in 5 of those asylum cases are denied because they do not meet asylum standards.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... rs-border/ Tuberculosis, flu, infections rampant as the number of sick migrants surge at border

Border authorities are referring 50 people a day for urgent medical care, including tuberculosis, flu and even pregnant women about to give birth, a top official said Monday, saying it’s unlike anything they’ve ever seen before.

Most of those in need of care are children, and a staggering 28 percent are under age 5, having been dragged along for the trip by parents who in many cases are hoping to use the children as a shield against speedy deportation from the U.S.

CBP Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said most of those needing help were ill when they arrived at the border, and some appear to have made the initial decision to leave even while ailing.

“Many were ill before they departed their homes,” the commissioner said. “We’re talking about cases of pneumonia, tuberculosis, parasites. These are not things that developed urgently in a matter of days.”

Agents have spotted a new trend in the traffic from Central America to the U.S., with smuggling organizations using commercial buses to get people through the journey in less than a week. That’s far faster than the 25 to 30 days it takes most migrants who walk or take a mixture of transportation to get from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras through Mexico and to the border.

Homeland Security officials say families released rarely show up for deportations. About one-third of them cut off ankle bracelets almost immediately after they’re released, authorities say.

“It’s no secret that we are seeing an increase of family units and unaccompanied aliens minors as a direct result of the Ninth Circuit’s Flores Settlement Agreement and the 2008 [Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act] — these are clear gaps in U.S. law that smugglers and traffickers are taking advantage of,” said Katie Waldman, a Homeland Security spokeswoman.

Investigations into both December deaths are ongoing and final medical evaluations have not been publicly detailed.

But border illnesses are nothing new.

During the 2014 surge of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) authorities reported massive chickenpox and other communicable disease outbreaks.

The numbers of children crossing now exceed that previous surge, with 22,000 children nabbed at the border in December, out of about 60,000 total immigrants who were either caught sneaking in, or were encountered at border crossings.

Since Dec. 22 there have been 450 medical cases that needed treatment, including flu, parasites, blood infections, abscesses, tuberculosis and pneumonia, Mr. McAleenan said.

Part of the surge could be that the government is looking more closely at those in its custody. Where before agents deferred to parents on whether their children needed care, the two recent deaths suggest parents can’t be trusted to know dangers or admit to them.

Every child in CBP custody was given a new medical check last week, including taking vital signs. Medical pros from the Coast Guard and the Public Health Service are going to be on site moving forward, the government says.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has also been roped into duty to look at the infectious diseases, with U.S. officials saying they think the shelters where migrants stage in Mexico before crossing the border could be an incubator.

[Forty Two]

The bigger questions are why they want medieval defence systems in 2018 and why they don't care about migrating animals and other environmental factors.

France has a border wall with Calais.

Peace Wall in Northern Ireland


The EU has built 1,000 KM of border walls - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 24706.html

European Union states have built over 1,000km of border walls since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, a new study into Fortress Europe has found.

Migration researchers have quantified the continent’s anti-immigrant infrastructure and found that the EU has gone from just two walls in the 1990s to 15 by 2017.

Ten out of 28 member states stretching from Spain to Latvia have now built such border walls, with a sharp increase during the 2015 migration panic, when seven new barriers were erected.

And you don't have 60,000 migrants a month now pouring over your fucking borders. Go bitch about your own fucking walls.

Do you folks even care what goes on in your own countries? Or, is it all fine if it's what you folks do, and if it's in the US you fucking gripe incessantly about it? Fuck off!

[Forty Two]

There's an article in the Salt Lake Tribute interviewing refugees and detailing the abuse since Trump came to power and energised and emboldened all the hateful people but I'm geoblocked.

You mean since 2016, the good, hardworking, toiling career bureaucrats and government officers have turned into racist, bigoted abusers who grin while tormenting poor "refugees?"

[Forty Two]

Hey, I'm all for improved security. In fact, I'm probably more radical than Trump. I think people should want to live in Mexico and elsewhere south of the border at about the same rate as they want to live in the US. Why don't they? What the fuck is wrong down south? I don't know how much good a wall will do, but what about sortin' their shit out?

Why should it be so bad in our own backyard?

Dude, if you've ever talked to immigrants from south of the border and South America, you would know exactly what they think of the US. It's fucking Shangri-la here. Compared to how people are treated south of the Rio Grand down to Tierra Del Fuego, the US is heaven on Earth. People come here because it's fucking awesome to live here.

You can believe the "I hate everyone" Dutchman, or the rest of the "civilized worlders" out there, but there is a big reason why the US is still the destination of choice for immigrants. It's fucking great here.

[pErvinalia]

I have the same problem with them believe it or not. If we're the smart party why do we keep losing?

Thankfully that's not actually true. The left has made significant progress on many fronts. As you've noted, lefty thinking is the new norm.

I'm a lefty myself,