Even more problematic stuff

[Forty Two]

It's good to be the Assistant Principal. When a student freaks you out, you can do something about it. Too bad the snowflakes are giving him such a hard time, eh?

'ACLU on side of transgender Clarksburg student allegedly bullied by assistant principal'

(Here's a link to a story about the incident from the Daily Beast, in case the above is geoblocked.)

The American Civil Liberties Union of West Virginia is taking action after a transgender student at Liberty High School said he was encountered by an assistant principal in the school’s boys’ bathroom and barricaded there for several minutes.

Michael Critchfield, a sophomore at Liberty, said the incident happened during an after-school event on Nov. 27.

Students, who were leaving on a band trip, were told to use the restrooms before boarding the buses to Morgantown, and Critchfield chose to use the boys’ restroom, as that is the gender with which he identifies.

“There were not many people there since it was after school and all that was there were probably sports teams, late buses and band students,” he said. “I had checked to see if anyone was at the urinal, and I looked to see if there was a bag there. If there was a bag, I would have walked in with my head down, or I would have waited until someone came out and then I would’ve gone in.”

The school’s assistant principal Lee Livengood entered the restroom and asked if anyone was still in the bathroom. Critchfield said he responded “yes,” and Livengood remained in the bathroom until he came out of the stall.

“He kept asking me why I was in there. [He said] I shouldn’t be in there because I am not a guy, and I told him I am a boy, I identify with this bathroom, and it is my legal right to use this restroom,” Critchfield said.

Critchfield said Livengood harassed and intimidated him, ultimately challenging him to use a urinal to prove he was a boy.

“He was blocking the doorway so I couldn’t get out because if I tried to get out through the doorway he was in front of, he could’ve said that I hit him or something and got me in more trouble,” Critchfield said. “I was barricaded in the bathroom for three or four minutes, and then a band mom was coming down complaining that they could hear Mr. Livengood yelling at me in the bathroom from the cafeteria, from the hallways, and some could hear it from the band room so she came down to see what was wrong.”

At the end of the exchange, Livengood said to Critchfield, “Not going to lie. You freak me out,” in front of the other students and the chaperone,” Critchfield said.

The assistant principal has been suspended.

The only practical solution to this is to gradually shift to Men's rooms, Ladies' rooms, and Co-Ed.

I think the arguments over who is and isn't a snowflake in this instance aren't productive. Saying someone who objects to opposite sex folks in the restroom is a "snowflake" is just an "oh yeah - you wanna call me a snowflake - well YOU'RE the snowflake!"

I look at it this way - by way of example - there are little girls like mine who are starting to go into bathrooms on their own. I think it's fair that boys ought not be going into the girls' room. Why? It's about the "trans" person who wants to use the opposite sex room. It's about the regular kids, who are acting like normal, regular kids and behaving ,quite often, badly. It's about girls' having a normal hesitance to go do their business if boys are coming into the restroom.

I agree wholeheartedly that there is nothing additional to fear from trans people that isn't applicable to regular people - and I'd go so far as to say that most likely open trans people are probably LESS likely to do something untoward in the rest room, because they tend to have anxieties and emotional issues to deal with given the societal norm they're coming up against.

That being said, while I wouldn't mind if a biological female came in the room while I had my dick out, whizzing in the urinal. Have a look! I really don't care. But, I do understand that some men would care. I also think that it's reasonable for women and girls to be off-put by biological men and boys coming into the ladies room while they are taking care of various bits of business.

As such, it would seem fairly reasonable to have sex-based bathrooms, and males get one, females get another, and their concerns are respected, and then there is a co-ed or both sex or any sex bathroom for those that don't want to "identify" with their biological sex.

But, that's probably transphobic or something.

All that said, the Assistant Principal deserved to get fired, as the way he treated a student in his care was abysmal. Even if it was not appropriate for the student to be in the restroom, public humiliation, scorn and the like is not the place of the school administration. If a rule was broken, impose a penalty and notify the parents. If not, fuck off. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Cunt]

I think the trouble is with exploiters, not just regular eliminators.

No matter the rule, creepy fucks will try to creep on little boys in the bathroom. (or little girls, but lets consider all the kids for the moment, ok?)

The privacy offered in the bathroom is the problem source. It's showing up in other ways, too. Such as sitting there on your phone (sometimes the only polite opportunity to do so) while others wait.

If your little girls (Forty Two) were not in a private area, the creeper wouldn't be a problem, since you would be staring at him, breathing through your nose, and possibly taking a threatening stance.

So how to fix it? I think abolish a lot of the privacy. Specifically, refit a bathroom this way...

A row of stalls along one side, a row of stall on the other, and common handwashing counter down the middle. Get used to pulling your pants up in the stall, then being 'in public' while washing your hands/checking your hair etc. at the sink.

Boys bully boys in the privacy of the bathroom. Probably the same happens between all schoolkids.

One of the big problems I've been thinking about, is how to limit access to ONE person, automatically. It wasn't specifically for this problem, but similarly, if the stalls are the only 'private' areas, bullies will find a way to use them for bullying. (and worse, of course)

Anyway, you could add a urinal trough along a third wall, and take care of a higher flow (hehe) of people than is currently served, what with having all those extra walls and such.

[Animavore]

Another racist cracker gets his just desserts.

http://deadstate.org/14-advertisers-hav ... y5NiSCxPFY

This is problematic for other racist, cornbread, chickenshit conservatives who are about to tell us about "free speech" and white oppression.

[Cunt]

What he said was that mass immigration makes things bad.

Is that what you disagree with? Him having and expressing a different opinion? I mean, I know you like to see him lose his sponsors, your delight is clear, but what I'm asking is, aside from your 'social-media justice' rant, do you disagree, and would you defend the opposite position?

[BarnettNewman]

Another racist cracker gets his just desserts.

http://deadstate.org/14-advertisers-hav ... y5NiSCxPFY

This is problematic for other racist, cornbread, chickenshit conservatives who are about to tell us about "free speech" and white oppression.

Carlson isn’t backing down.

“We’re not intimidated,” he wrote. “We plan to try to say what’s true until the last day. And the truth is, unregulated mass immigration has badly hurt this country’s natural landscape.”

Drill baby drill.

[laklak]

Unrestricted mass immigration is ridiculous and no country in the entire world allows it.

[Rum]

Quite so. The logic of the right - the ‘new’ right - these days is that liberalism is totally in favour of all the forces that have the potential to ‘destroy our way of life’. This hyperbolic rhetoric feeds into a propaganda stream that appeals to the stupid and fearful of this world and hoovers up the masses so that the right builds up a ground swell and a pseudo legitimacy. It is based on deception, not facts, and is a true evil. Trump and his like tap into this travesty. They are exploiting ignorance and fear.

[Cunt]

Quite so. The logic of the right - the ‘new’ right - these days is that liberalism is totally in favour of all the forces that have the potential to ‘destroy our way of life’. This hyperbolic rhetoric feeds into a propaganda stream that appeals to the stupid and fearful of this world and hoovers up the masses so that the right builds up a ground swell and a pseudo legitimacy. It is based on deception, not facts, and is a true evil. Trump and his like tap into this travesty. They are exploiting ignorance and fear.

Can we compare by comparing a place with mass immigration, to a place without it?

Would it be fair to check the accuracy of his claim, I mean?

If mass immigration really does lower the quality of say, soup in an area, do soup-lovers have a valid point? Are they allowed to express it without being accused of racism, ignorance and fear?

[laklak]

It's not just the right, the "new" left is just as guilty. Women were going to "die" because Kavanaugh got on SCOTUS, Trump would repeal Roe-v-Wade, there would be concentration camps for his opponents, gay marriage would be repealed, racism and sexism and whatever-ism would be legalized and probably mandatory, yada yada yada. I don't listen to any of them, they're all completely full of shit. Anyone who listens to them is an idiot, IMO. There is NO difference in them, they're all venal, self-absorbed, power-mad sociopaths.

[Animavore]

What the...?

A College Student Was Told To Remove A "Fuck Nazis" Sign Because It Wasn't "Inclusive"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/le ... LbIKNDtNe4

[Animavore]

Outcry as new Watership Down fails to traumatise entire generation of children

https://newsthump.com/2018/12/24/outcry ... I2y6iHgOhU

[Animavore]

[Rum]

It's not just the right, the "new" left is just as guilty. Women were going to "die" because Kavanaugh got on SCOTUS, Trump would repeal Roe-v-Wade, there would be concentration camps for his opponents, gay marriage would be repealed, racism and sexism and whatever-ism would be legalized and probably mandatory, yada yada yada. I don't listen to any of them, they're all completely full of shit. Anyone who listens to them is an idiot, IMO. There is NO difference in them, they're all venal, self-absorbed, power-mad sociopaths.

Here in the UK, the right are generally more identified with immigration control as an issue. Arguably the reason immigration got ‘out of control’ here was that Tony Blair let it deliberately during boom times to help the economy grow. It was apparently quite deliberate.

When it became an issue for the public, which it did irrespective of their politics, all parties had to take note.

[Brian Peacock]

Immigration isn't generally an issue when the economy is working for regular folk, when they have secure employment, decent housing, schools, healthcare etc and good prospects. Well, that's not entirely true: it's always an issue, but one that usually only really burns for those pathologically disposed to believing that the accident of their own birth imbues their being, views, and actions with default virtue. Anyway...

The lie about how the economy of a nation works is that it operates like a big bank account, such that if you're doing badly, if your wages are stagnating, if you have poor employment options, patchy access to good housing, education and healthcare etc, then it must be becuase somebody else is dipping their sticky hand in the pot.

Over the last 40 years or so the economies of Western nations has been systematically revised, manipulated really, to disadvantage regular folk because its focus has been to boost the asset-wealth of the wealthy - they being the ones who have bankrolled political success.

It is no coincidence that it is the asset-rich who are the first and the keenest to tell us regular folk that it's the sticky handed outsiders who are stealing our future, and indeed our present - when in fact it's actually been happening right under our noses for quite a while. And we voted for it!

[Forty Two]

Immigration isn't generally an issue when the economy is working for regular folk, when they have secure employment, decent housing, schools, healthcare etc and good prospects. Well, that's not entirely true: it's always an issue, but one that usually only really burns for those pathologically disposed to believing that the accident of their own birth imbues their being, views, and actions with default virtue. Anyway...

Being a citizen or lawful resident of a country is not a "virtue." It's a legal status, and the accident of one's birth in a given country to a national of that country generally does imbue the being with citizenship status. The accident of birth in a different country does not imbue that person with any legal right to reside in or be a citizen of other countries.

The lie about how the economy of a nation works is that it operates like a big bank account, such that if you're doing badly, if your wages are stagnating, if you have poor employment options, patchy access to good housing, education and healthcare etc, then it must be because somebody else is dipping their sticky hand in the pot.

That's one way to put it. Another is that the supply of labor impacts price of labor. And, also that the resources of the state are not unlimited. Another way is that countries exist and that just as it would be disruptive for a variety of reasons to have millions of Europeans migrate to north Africa, it is no less disruptive to have it go in reverse.

Over the last 40 years or so the economies of Western nations has been systematically revised, manipulated really, to disadvantage regular folk because its focus has been to boost the asset-wealth of the wealthy - they being the ones who have bankrolled political success.

If so, then the economies of western nations having adopted higher minimum wages, greater social safety nets, and more government assistance has operated to disadvantage regular folk. Is that what you're saying? It was easier to be a regular folk in 1978 than it is today?

It is no coincidence that it is the asset-rich who are the first and the keenest to tell us regular folk that it's the sticky handed outsiders who are stealing our future, and indeed our present - when in fact it's actually been happening right under our noses for quite a while. And we voted for it!

You think the wealthier are keener to be anti-immigration than "regular folk?" The "regular folk" are keener to say that we should let all the illegal immigrants in?

But, it sounds like you believe that the movement toward greater regulation of our economies, more and more social safety net programs, more government assistance, and other "protections" have actually had the opposite of the intended effect.