Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

[Rum]

No news on that Jim. If she did she isn’t telling so far.

[PsychoSerenity]

As I said earlier it would be close. It wasn’t actually very close in the end. She won by a decent margin. Let’s hope a little sanity returns. Too much drama!

It wasn't that far off either. Over a third of her MPs voted for her to go. That's many more than the ERG group has. As I understand it she now can't be challenged for a year, but I wonder if being stuck with her would be enough to make any of those 117 abstain in a parliamentary confidence vote when Labour bring one? They would in effect be resigning the whip and losing the support of their party in the face of any future elections, so it's very unlikely, but despite May's lot trying to spin winning this vote as a success, she's never been weaker in terms of support. But if there's one thing May can do, it's to blindly carry on regardless of the crises and lack of support around her.

[Brian Peacock]

Aye. But at least she has the 'confidence' of the party, and perhaps now can push the fundamentalist Brexitarians towards the sidelines.

[Hermit]

"demos" is an old Greek word that means 'stupid'.

What is your source for that?

[rainbow]

"demos" is an old Greek word that means 'stupid'.

What is your source for that?

[rainbow]

As I said earlier it would be close. It wasn’t actually very close in the end. She won by a decent margin. Let’s hope a little sanity returns. Too much drama!

Considering that the Cons would get less than 40% of the vote if an election were held now, most of these MPs were voting for self-preservation rather than May.


Also nobody wants to be handed the poisoned chalice.

[rainbow]

Aye. But at least she has the 'confidence' of the party, and perhaps now can push the fundamentalist Brexitarians towards the sidelines.

Weird. It seems that she relied on the support of MPs that originally supported "Remain".

You could call this a "cock-up", and not be entirely inaccurate.

[Svartalf]

"demos" is an old Greek word that means 'stupid'.

What is your source for that?

and old greek teacher I had, who admittedly was right leaning, strongly so.

[Scot Dutchy]

Aye. But at least she has the 'confidence' of the party, and perhaps now can push the fundamentalist Brexitarians towards the sidelines.

Weird. It seems that she relied on the support of MPs that originally supported "Remain".

You could call this a "cock-up", and not be entirely inaccurate.

They finally realised the total mess they have created. No one else would not get anything else out of the EU. It is totally arrogant to think otherwise. Most of the EU was happy to see her survive. They know her and the thought of another even more arrogant git coming along and demanding this and that was not an enthralling possibility.
While this will shut up the ERG for a while it does not clarify the status of her bill. What it will do is focus minds and bring feet back onto terra firma.

May is now damaged goods. Dont think the EU leaders will forget that.

[Hermit]

"demos" is an old Greek word that means 'stupid'.

What is your source for that?

and old greek teacher I had, who admittedly was right leaning, strongly so.

Thanks. Maybe you should have mentioned that in your previous post. Something like "An old, strongly right leaning Greek teacher I had said: ""demos" is an old Greek word that means 'stupid'".

The Oxford Dictionary defines 'demos' as 1. The common people of an ancient Greek state. and 1.1 The populace of a democracy as a political unit. Delving into actual ancient Greek usage in the 5th and 4th centuries BCE, C.W. Blackwell came up with 1. village, 2. people and 3. assembly.

[JimC]

I thought it just meant "population" or something with a very similar import...

[Hermit]

I thought it just meant "population" or something with a very similar import...

It was a bit more specific than that. The "population" consisted of males only, 18 years old or more, and not slaves. Only they were officially listed by name as members of the demos.

[Brian Peacock]

Plato didn't like 'em anyway.

Aye. But at least she has the 'confidence' of the party, and perhaps now can push the fundamentalist Brexitarians towards the sidelines.

Weird. It seems that she relied on the support of MPs that originally supported "Remain".

You could call this a "cock-up", and not be entirely inaccurate.

Mrs May got more affirmative confidence votes than she got when she was elevated to leader. The whole thing was a colossal waste of time, an irrelevant distraction, and a typically cynical move by Mogsy, BoJo and Fox and the members of the ERG - who are of course cynics in both the contemporary and classical sense.


Mogsy, BoJo and Fox: sounds like a kids animated TV show, or a particular crap firm of accountants.

[Svartalf]

I thought it just meant "population" or something with a very similar import...

given that written communication was the exclusive province of aristocratic classes to whom most of the political body still felt like the 'great unwashed'... yeah, I still understand why my old prof would have translated "demos" as 'idiot'... After all, according to plato, Socrates passed his time demonstrating how his fellow politically enfranchised people were utter numbnuts... pushed it too far and it got him a drink of hemlock, but still not wrong.

[Scot Dutchy]

Moggsy is still saying she can choose to resign showing once again the typical Brexiteer mentality of ignoring everything and pushing there own policy. He even compared her to Thatcher in resigning who he says was still much stronger but knew when to go. This is the arrogant mentality that really gets up the noses of other European leaders.