Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

[Forty Two]

The family is gone - who raises the kids? The "community." The kids go to community facilities to be raised pursuant to State standards.

Marx never said this.

Liar.

You've not read anything Marx wrote. So you wouldn't know.

You weren't even aware of the basics, like industrial armies, and such. You claimed that wasn't part of Marx's vision, yet it's flat out explicitly stated in the most basic of all Communist documents. And, you thought Das Kapital described Marx's view of a Communist society. Maybe read some of the texts - or at least one of them - before commenting.

Marx and Engels wanted to abolish all right of inheritance, to end home and religious education, to dissolve monogamy in marriage, to pursue extra-marital sex, to nationalize all housework, to shift mothers into factories, to move children into daycare nurseries, to separate children into community collectives apart from their natural parents, and, most of all, for society and the state to rear and educate children. "The Origins of the Family," by Engels (in the introduction, Engels credits Marx - Engels put the book together using various extracts of writings of Marx before he died), and Marx and Engels' joint work "The German Ideology" (published posthumously).

Engels wrote, “the single family ceases to be the economic unit of society. Private housekeeping is transformed into a social industry. The care and education of the children becomes a public affair; society looks after all children alike....”

Marx's list of about 10 points toward abolishing private property, private lending, private transportation, private communications, inheritance, the family, etc. -- he concedes in the Communist Manifesto itself - “Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads.” His plan cannot be effected except by means of "despotic inroads." That's his vision. Part of that vision is to eliminate the family, and raise children as a community - and that makes perfect sense under communism. If you have a family, then some families will be better than others, more caring than others, more competent than others, and manage resources better than others. If you have children raised in common by the State, then they can level all the influences, and the children will be raised equally.

This is basic stuff.

[Jason]

The family is gone - who raises the kids? The "community." The kids go to community facilities to be raised pursuant to State standards.

Marx never said this.

Liar.

You've not read anything Marx wrote. So you wouldn't know.

You weren't even aware of the basics, like industrial armies, and such. You claimed that wasn't part of Marx's vision, yet it's flat out explicitly stated in the most basic of all Communist documents. And, you thought Das Kapital described Marx's view of a Communist society. Maybe read some of the texts - or at least one of them - before commenting.

Where did Marx prescribe an industrial army in his vision of the future? I see he used the term in critiques of capitalism, but not for the future of Marxism.

[rainbow]

The family is gone - who raises the kids? The "community." The kids go to community facilities to be raised pursuant to State standards.

Marx never said this.

Liar.

You've not read anything Marx wrote. So you wouldn't know.

You weren't even aware of the basics, like industrial armies, and such. You claimed that wasn't part of Marx's vision, yet it's flat out explicitly stated in the most basic of all Communist documents. And, you thought Das Kapital described Marx's view of a Communist society. Maybe read some of the texts - or at least one of them - before commenting.

Doesn't work that way, matey.

You claimed that Marx said that

The kids go to community facilities to be raised pursuant to State standards.

He didn't.

You lied.

[Forty Two]

The Americans have two weeks holidays as well and this includes public holidays and sick days. Most of them have never been abroad either, one third are Christian fundamentalists, really, I am not moving there any time soon, not for their breathtaking nature either.

Americans generally get, as a matter of practice, two weeks vacation per year from an employer, which increases over time as you stay with an employer, but those weeks don't include legal holidays, which are generally additional.

You say "most have never been abroad," either. That's likely true. However, there are only 2 countries bordering the US, and until fairly recently you did not need a passport to go to either the US or Canada. If you looked at Europe, most of the people who do travel outside their country are still traveling to another European country. European countries are small and close together. I would be shocked if a Belgian had not gone to France and Germany. It's a bit more difficult for an American to to overseas.

As of January, 2018, the percentage of Americans with passports was 42%, and is increasing. And, while Americans don't travel overseas as much as some countries' citizens, Americans do travel overseas more than most countries' citizens.

Most Australians have "never been abroad" -- barely 50% have passports. So? I would expect that. It's a continent-country. Anywhere you want to go you go by plane or boat. The patrician European notion that they are so well-traveled, while the provincials are so vulgar and gauche, basically stems from the fact that if you live in Paris, you can be in German, Belgium, Switzerland, the UK, Spain, and Italy by car or train. It's no different than living in Detroit and being proud to have traveled to Ohio, Kentucky or Pennsylvania. However, must people who live in Michigan have been to Canada, of course, because it's a short car ride away, and some of the busiest bridges are in Detroit and Saginaw.

[Forty Two]

The family is gone - who raises the kids? The "community." The kids go to community facilities to be raised pursuant to State standards.

Marx never said this.

Liar.

You've not read anything Marx wrote. So you wouldn't know.

You weren't even aware of the basics, like industrial armies, and such. You claimed that wasn't part of Marx's vision, yet it's flat out explicitly stated in the most basic of all Communist documents. And, you thought Das Kapital described Marx's view of a Communist society. Maybe read some of the texts - or at least one of them - before commenting.

Doesn't work that way, matey.

You claimed that Marx said that

The kids go to community facilities to be raised pursuant to State standards.

He didn't.

You lied.

He did -- if you've read anything at all, you'd know that his and Engels' goal was to send mothers and fathers to the factories and farms, and the children would be raised by community nurseries schools. This is basic stuff. Dummy.

[Forty Two]

The family is gone - who raises the kids? The "community." The kids go to community facilities to be raised pursuant to State standards.

Marx never said this.

Liar.

You've not read anything Marx wrote. So you wouldn't know.

You weren't even aware of the basics, like industrial armies, and such. You claimed that wasn't part of Marx's vision, yet it's flat out explicitly stated in the most basic of all Communist documents. And, you thought Das Kapital described Marx's view of a Communist society. Maybe read some of the texts - or at least one of them - before commenting.

Where did Marx prescribe an industrial army in his vision of the future? I see he used the term in critiques of capitalism, but not for the future of Marxism.

Jesus H. Christ, people. Page 26, Section II, of the Communist Manifesto for crying out loud. Equal liability of all to work, and the establishment of industrial armies. I cited this before. Someone above linked to the full text. It's a short book that takes about an hour or less to read slowly.

[rainbow]

He did -- if you've read anything at all, you'd know that his and Engels' goal was to send mothers and fathers to the factories and farms, and the children would be raised by community nurseries schools. This is basic stuff. Dummy.

No quotes then, just an attempt at insult.

You're not doing well here.

[Forty Two]

He did -- if you've read anything at all, you'd know that his and Engels' goal was to send mothers and fathers to the factories and farms, and the children would be raised by community nurseries schools. This is basic stuff. Dummy.

No quotes then, just an attempt at insult.

You're not doing well here.

[Jason]

The family is gone - who raises the kids? The "community." The kids go to community facilities to be raised pursuant to State standards.

Marx never said this.

Liar.

You've not read anything Marx wrote. So you wouldn't know.

You weren't even aware of the basics, like industrial armies, and such. You claimed that wasn't part of Marx's vision, yet it's flat out explicitly stated in the most basic of all Communist documents. And, you thought Das Kapital described Marx's view of a Communist society. Maybe read some of the texts - or at least one of them - before commenting.

Where did Marx prescribe an industrial army in his vision of the future? I see he used the term in critiques of capitalism, but not for the future of Marxism.

Jesus H. Christ, people. Page 26, Section II, of the Communist Manifesto for crying out loud. Equal liability of all to work, and the establishment of industrial armies. I cited this before. Someone above linked to the full text. It's a short book that takes about an hour or less to read slowly.

I see that - point 8 for anyone interested. I think what he meant was that there must be a large body of available workers to be put to the task - perhaps with a reserve pool of workers to be employed in whatever industry requires them.

What do you think he meant?

[laklak]

I think he means that the State controls every aspect of your life including what work you do.

[Sean Hayden]

The state can kiss my ass. "I've given you guys nearly 300 bucks since September, is there really a judge who is going to say that I haven't acted in good faith?" --- "I've issued warrants for people owing 10 cents sir!" --that's the state for ya, fuck you.

[DRSB]

Marx never said this.

Liar.

You've not read anything Marx wrote. So you wouldn't know.

You weren't even aware of the basics, like industrial armies, and such. You claimed that wasn't part of Marx's vision, yet it's flat out explicitly stated in the most basic of all Communist documents. And, you thought Das Kapital described Marx's view of a Communist society. Maybe read some of the texts - or at least one of them - before commenting.

Where did Marx prescribe an industrial army in his vision of the future? I see he used the term in critiques of capitalism, but not for the future of Marxism.

Jesus H. Christ, people. Page 26, Section II, of the Communist Manifesto for crying out loud. Equal liability of all to work, and the establishment of industrial armies. I cited this before. Someone above linked to the full text. It's a short book that takes about an hour or less to read slowly.

I see that - point 8 for anyone interested. I think what he meant was that there must be a large body of available workers to be put to the task - perhaps with a reserve pool of workers to be employed in whatever industry requires them.

What do you think he meant?

He meant "From everyone according to their abilities, to everyone according to their needs".

[Svartalf]

But George Orwell said that what really happened was "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

[Forty Two]

I see that - point 8 for anyone interested. I think what he meant was that there must be a large body of available workers to be put to the task - perhaps with a reserve pool of workers to be employed in whatever industry requires them.

What do you think he meant?

As one of the list of "despotic inroads" (a quote, for those who demand I quote)?

Without a price-allocation system of a market economy, the only viable alternative is an order of "liability" to labor where conscripts are massed into "industrial armies." And, that is what Marx explicitly says.

Laborers will not select the type and place of employment— the concept of the levee en masse means the community - the State - determines needs, and then determines how to meet those needs, and the proletariat (everyone) does what they are assigned. Labor laws replace market prices. Serfdom replaces the "invisible hand." The "industrial army," as Marx correctly noted, would come under the direct control of its totalitarian leaders. The army will find itself "relocated" from time to time to ensure a "more equable distribution of the population over the country."

So, you and me, as equal members of the labor force (everyone) get our directions and we follow them. If we refuse, we get our stuff seized (remember the line item about the seizure of the stuff of "emigrants and rebels"). What happens to people, then, who refuse service in the industrial armies? https://archive.org/stream/AleksandrSol ... o_djvu.txt

[Forty Two]

He meant "From everyone according to their abilities, to everyone according to their needs".

Indeed, one of the most bankrupt and totalitarian concepts ever devised. It basically turns the country in to a labor camp.