Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

[rainbow]

About what?

... being a shining example of socialism

Oh, yes, I agree that Venezuela is an example of socialism. Socialism doesn't "shine," though, as you can't polish a turd.

A bit like your style of argument.

[Forty Two]

What are you even arguing, rainbow? Do you agree with something? Disagree? Why or why not?

[rainbow]

What are you even arguing, rainbow? Do you agree with something? Disagree? Why or why not?

I thought I had made myself clear.
Communism has not existed, and may never exist in the way Marx imagined it.

The question is therefore a silly one, and trying to perpetuate a silly argument is silliness.

Now don't you feel like a complete twat?

[Scot Dutchy]

There have been a few specks of communism but not on a country wide scale. Socialism on the other hand is still very much going even though many capitalists attempt to remove it.

[Forty Two]

What are you even arguing, rainbow? Do you agree with something? Disagree? Why or why not?

I thought I had made myself clear.
Communism has not existed, and may never exist in the way Marx imagined it.

Really? How do you think Marx imagined it? With industrial armies, no families, no freedom of religion, babies raised in common, enforced uniformity and distribution of population over the countryside, elimination of private property, elimination of business for profit, and to each according to his need, from each according to ability?

The question is therefore a silly one, and trying to perpetuate a silly argument is silliness.

Now don't you feel like a complete twat?

You think you've made sense, then? Interesting.

[rainbow]

What are you even arguing, rainbow? Do you agree with something? Disagree? Why or why not?

I thought I had made myself clear.
Communism has not existed, and may never exist in the way Marx imagined it.

Really? How do you think Marx imagined it?

You have read Das Capital, I assume, so you'd know. Why are you asking me?

[rainbow]

With industrial armies, no families, no freedom of religion, babies raised in common, enforced uniformity and distribution of population over the countryside

Please quote exactly where in Marx's writing that these are stated.

[Scot Dutchy]

Quite amazing. Sounds capitalist/fascist; industrial armies?

[rainbow]

Quite amazing. Sounds capitalist/fascist; industrial armies?

Yes we will await the direct quotes from Marx.

[Forty Two]

You have read Das Capital, I assume, so you'd know. Why are you asking me?

Das Kapital does not describe how Marx imagined a communist system to be.

As for why I'm asking you - that's because you're engaging in this conversation and expressing a viewpoint, or trying to do so. One might reasonably surmise that you would know something about that which you are so vociferously opining.

[rainbow]

You have read Das Capital, I assume, so you'd know. Why are you asking me?

Das Kapital does not describe how Marx imagined a communist system to be.

As for why I'm asking you - that's because you're engaging in this conversation and expressing a viewpoint, or trying to do so. One might reasonably surmise that you would know something about that which you are so vociferously opining.

So you have no direct quotes.

As I thought.

Fail.

[Scot Dutchy]

Capitalists always fail. It is never sustained growth always boom and bust which is not good for the workers. The shareholders could not care less.

[Forty Two]

Quite amazing. Sounds capitalist/fascist; industrial armies?

Yes we will await the direct quotes from Marx.

"8) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture" - Marx/Engels, Communist Manifesto, Chapter II, pg. 26. It's one of the "despotic inroads" Marx envisioned would be needed in advanced economies to "wrest control" of the means of production and property from the bourgeoisie.

[Forty Two]

Capitalists always fail. It is never sustained growth always boom and bust which is not good for the workers. The shareholders could not care less.

Examples?

[Forty Two]

You have read Das Capital, I assume, so you'd know. Why are you asking me?

Das Kapital does not describe how Marx imagined a communist system to be.

As for why I'm asking you - that's because you're engaging in this conversation and expressing a viewpoint, or trying to do so. One might reasonably surmise that you would know something about that which you are so vociferously opining.

So you have no direct quotes.

As I thought.

Fail.

Direct quotes for what? YOU said that communism had not been tried in the manner Marx envisioned it. YOU said that. I asked you to clue me in on what YOU thought Marx imagined. YOU cited Das Kapital. Das Kapital does not contain any summation or quotes related to what Marx envisioned communism would be like or how he imagined it to be. It's a critique of capitalism. Most scholars believe he planned a volume to be added to the Das Kapital series that would explicitly lay out his imaginings in that regard, but he never wrote it.

Fail, indeed. LOL.