"Alt-right" Still Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

[Cunt]

FBI now classifies far-right Proud Boys as 'extremist group', documents say

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... MjpfRC2FAo

McInnes has just been denied a visa to enter Australia. Good stuff, feds!

Good for everyone afraid of words! Yay safe spaces!!!

[pErvinalia]

Good for society to disallow antisocial dickheads a platform. We've got higher standards here than in the US.

[Hermit]

I understand that you feel obligated to go to secondary sources for information, but it wasn't hard at all to find their own words.

On video, even. In this one Gavin McInnes tells the camera how he got mad at the sight of an protester, who, he said, was legally carrying an anarchist flag on a cardboard pole, which prompted him to punch said protester in the face. In that one he repeats the story, this time with some embellishments, to an appreciative crowd, and finishes the story with quoting what one Proud Boys member said: "Justified violence feels great, and fighting solves everything." Justified? Sure - if punching a flag-bearing protester in the face constitutes "justified violence".

[pErvinalia]

He's openly said he wants to kill people. Cunt would know this if he had even the most basic Google skills. Or perhaps he's just wilfully ignorant.

[JimC]

Nazi scum can't visit Oz, and that brings Cunt to tears...

Oh Freedom!

[Animavore]

Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

[Cunt]

I understand that you feel obligated to go to secondary sources for information, but it wasn't hard at all to find their own words.

On video, even. In this one Gavin McInnes tells the camera how he got mad at the sight of an protester, who, he said, was legally carrying an anarchist flag on a cardboard pole, which prompted him to punch said protester in the face. In that one he repeats the story, this time with some embellishments, to an appreciative crowd, and finishes the story with quoting what one Proud Boys member said: "Justified violence feels great, and fighting solves everything." Justified? Sure - if punching a flag-bearing protester in the face constitutes "justified violence".

He fights a bit. If that is so anti-social, every bar in the modern world would be shut down for being a centre for violence and anti-social acts.

He punched someone? Wow! That is really beyond the pale! Did he wear a mask? Use weapons?

Or did he take responsibility for his act?

Would you refuse to join a group because the leader attacked someone once? Which country do you belong to? Did the leader ever attack someone?

[L'Emmerdeur]

Previously the implosion of the Traditionalist Worker Party due to hanky-panky amongst its leaders was noted. Former Traditionalist Worker Party chief Matthew Heimbach soon found a home (or so he thought) with the National Socialist Movement.

It seems they prefer their racism unadulterated by any Strasserist elements, which Heimbach was attempting to introduce, apparently in the hope that he could bring in some racist leftists to swell the ranks.

'Matthew Heimbach Expelled from National Socialist Movement, Source Says'

In September of this year, it was reported that neo-Nazi Matthew Heimbach had joined the National Socialist Movement (NSM) following the disbanding of a group he had founded, the Traditionalist Worker’s Party. That job appears to have been short-lived, as Heimbach has now been reportedly expelled from the group for his Strausserist [sic] positions.

...

According to a social media post by Tennessee NSM State leader Kynan Dutton, Heimbach was expelled for being a “betrayer, traitor, and Communist.” The post cites Colucci and the group’s leader, Jeff Scoep, as the authorities behind the expulsion.

[JimC]

Cunt wrote:

id he wear a mask? Use weapons?

Or did he take responsibility for his act?

Would you refuse to join a group because the leader attacked someone once? Which country do you belong to? Did the leader ever attack someone?

Do I give a flying continental fuck about responding to someone whose posts are mostly vacuous questions?

[Brian Peacock]

I understand that you feel obligated to go to secondary sources for information, but it wasn't hard at all to find their own words.

On video, even. In this one Gavin McInnes tells the camera how he got mad at the sight of an protester, who, he said, was legally carrying an anarchist flag on a cardboard pole, which prompted him to punch said protester in the face. In that one he repeats the story, this time with some embellishments, to an appreciative crowd, and finishes the story with quoting what one Proud Boys member said: "Justified violence feels great, and fighting solves everything." Justified? Sure - if punching a flag-bearing protester in the face constitutes "justified violence".

No no no. It's only what's on the website that counts - that's the official source. It's like the catechism - it sounds very tolerant and non-committal, but the faithful know what it really means.

[Hermit]

I understand that you feel obligated to go to secondary sources for information, but it wasn't hard at all to find their own words.

On video, even. In this one Gavin McInnes tells the camera how he got mad at the sight of an protester, who, he said, was legally carrying an anarchist flag on a cardboard pole, which prompted him to punch said protester in the face. In that one he repeats the story, this time with some embellishments, to an appreciative crowd, and finishes the story with quoting what one Proud Boys member said: "Justified violence feels great, and fighting solves everything." Justified? Sure - if punching a flag-bearing protester in the face constitutes "justified violence".

He fights a bit. If that is so anti-social, every bar in the modern world would be shut down for being a centre for violence and anti-social acts.

He punched someone? Wow! That is really beyond the pale! Did he wear a mask? Use weapons?

Or did he take responsibility for his act?

Would you refuse to join a group because the leader attacked someone once? Which country do you belong to? Did the leader ever attack someone?

You asked for a primary source. I provided two examples straight from the horse's mouth. One is of McInnes admitting that he punched someone who did nothing illegal in the face. The other is his advocacy of violence as a means for "solving everything". So McInnes is not just this bloke who "fights a bit". He embraces the use of violence in word and deed.

Is that your idea of good leadership?

[laklak]

To be fair, it's perfectly legal here to carry a Nazi flag, and punching them seems to be acceptable. Personally I sauce a goose as I do a gander, but YMMV.

[Hermit]

To be fair, it's perfectly legal here to carry a Nazi flag, and punching them seems to be acceptable. Personally I sauce a goose as I do a gander, but YMMV.

Yes, my mileage varies.

• Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. - K.R. Popper

I approve of punching people carrying symbols of racism in general (that includes the confederate flag) and genocide in particular (swastika only). They are not amenable to seeing the error of their ways by challenging their ideas and change their thought by intelligent debate. Better still, stamp boots on their faces, best before they have grown beyond a few thousand in strength, to stop them from doing so to millions of others. Keep stamping on them for as long as it takes to destroy the fuckers.

[pErvinalia]

But freedum!

[Hermit]

But freedum!

That's what Popper wrote about preserving when he mentioned the role and limit of toleration.