rainbow wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:25 am
Forty Two wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:04 pm
However, in socialist countries - those with the State owning and/or controlling the means of production by and large, what is equality like there? Was there greater "equality" in communist Soviet Union? Communist Cuba? Socialist Venezuela? Is that "equality?"
Only a complete twat would believe that your examples of State Capitalism equate to Socialism.
By definition if a system allows elites to hold privileges not available to the masses then it isn't "Socialist".
...no matter what the systems may call themselves
Only a complete twat thinks Cuba, Venezuela or the Soviet Union weren't capitalist? LOL. Look, Venezuela was hailed a shining example of socialism, until it imploded. Then it's state capitalism. Twat? Really? The non-twats of the world think Cuba, Venezuela and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics were actually capitalist?
By "definition?" Really? What dictionary are you looking at? Most dictionaries I've read use some iteration of "A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community or the State."
No True Socialism. This is an endless pattern of patter and
post hoc fabrication.
First Soviet Russia is a shining example of modern socialism, and then it's "oops, my bad" by the pro-socialist types. They move on to Maoism, and that's lauded as a shining example of socialism again. "oops, my bad..." Maoism was real socialism – until it was not. There were years of excuses made for the GDR - the GDR was the real socialism, and the resistance to fascism, whereas West Germany was actually fascist. Then of, course, the Berlin Wall fell, the pro-socialist types moved on to greener pastures.
In the 1990s and on, the mantra became "the real socialism has never existed..." Those were the non-twats. The totally non-twatty people. Socialism? We know what that is, and we know it's the best way to structure national and world economies, and to order people's entire economic lives, but it's never even been tried in actual fact before. But, believe you me, it's waaaaaayyyyy better than capitalism, once it's really tried, then you'll see.
“Chavez […] showed us that there is a different, and a better way of doing things.
It’s called socialism […]
n his death, we will march on, to that better, just, peaceful and hopeful world” - Jeremy Corbyn - What he really should have said was that "Chavez showed us that there is a different and better way of doing things, it's called state capitalism...." 
Only a twat would call it socialism.“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
