Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

[JimC]

42's particular choice of male/female roles in his life is as valid as any other arrangement. The issue is when a particular social arrangement is seen as the desirable (or even only) norm, and that alternatives, if not viewed as heretical, are at least viewed as eccentric and second-rate. The example in one of Rum's earlier posts, of how traditional children's books typically showed only one family arrangement is an example of how socialisation acted (at least in the past) to maintain social norms.

The zeitgeist has certainly moved on - frequently, modern children's books tend to show a wide range of possible family arrangements and lifestyles. Another interesting example is to be found in SF, particularly the military/space opera genre I tend to like. First, there was a jump to have strong female characters and leaders of space navies. David Weber is a good example of this. However, none of Weber's books ever have gay characters. More recent contributors have a fair proportion of gay roles as well.

[pErvinalia]

Is Coito 42?

[JimC]

Is Coito 42?

You've always said so...

[DRSB]

You’ve helped me see the error of my ways Hermie. I’ve ordered Mrs Rum to do the ironing this evening and prepare something tasty for my lunch tomorrow after she’s been sent off to work.

I plan to lounge in a hammock in my back garden all day. Bugger the drizzle - I’m a man!

I find it odd that someone would claim the expression of what I prefer as a claim that others are in error. Was your expression of your preference a declaration that I am in error? I suspect not.

Fair enough. My husband too preferred to do the cooking while I was pulling in a six-digit salary plus boni. Who wouldn't? It was good for the kid too, so many family trips, kiddie loved it, by the age of 10 he had been in some 40 countries including places like Galapagos. In view of the fact that I suck at cooking, this arrangement fitted everyone's agenda.

[Forty Two]

You’ve helped me see the error of my ways Hermie. I’ve ordered Mrs Rum to do the ironing this evening and prepare something tasty for my lunch tomorrow after she’s been sent off to work.

I plan to lounge in a hammock in my back garden all day. Bugger the drizzle - I’m a man!

I find it odd that someone would claim the expression of what I prefer as a claim that others are in error. Was your expression of your preference a declaration that I am in error? I suspect not.

Fair enough. My husband too preferred to do the cooking while I was pulling in a six-digit salary plus boni. Who wouldn't? It was good for the kid too, so many family trips, kiddie loved it, by the age of 10 he had been in some 40 countries including places like Galapagos. In view of the fact that I suck at cooking, this arrangement fitted everyone's agenda.

Whatever works.

[Animavore]

[Forty Two]

42's particular choice of male/female roles in his life is as valid as any other arrangement. The issue is when a particular social arrangement is seen as the desirable (or even only) norm, and that alternatives, if not viewed as heretical, are at least viewed as eccentric and second-rate. The example in one of Rum's earlier posts, of how traditional children's books typically showed only one family arrangement is an example of how socialisation acted (at least in the past) to maintain social norms.

The zeitgeist has certainly moved on - frequently, modern children's books tend to show a wide range of possible family arrangements and lifestyles. Another interesting example is to be found in SF, particularly the military/space opera genre I tend to like. First, there was a jump to have strong female characters and leaders of space navies. David Weber is a good example of this. However, none of Weber's books ever have gay characters. More recent contributors have a fair proportion of gay roles as well.

I don't even view it as a choice of "male female roles."

You say "the issue is when a particular social arrangement as seen as the desirable (or even only) norm..." Seen by whom? Surely, everyone sees that differently, or at least there are a wide variety of opinions on it. Some see it as the desirable norm. That's not "an issue." That's their opinion. It's not an "issue" for a plurality to have that opinion. It's not an "issue" for a majority to have that opinion. As long as it's not by force of law, everyone can still do as they please.

Further, the fact that there is such a thing as "culture" means that there are, in fact, cultural norms. a cultural norm is the prevailing view of the people in that culture - what most people do. The Dutch drown their French fries in mayonnaise - they love that shit - it's part of their culture. Is that an "issue?" Should something be done about it? Wait...maybe that wasn't a great example....

If my view is "just as valid", then wouldn't 200 million people sharing my view be "just as valid?" Isn't that how cultures are formed?

[Animavore]

[Forty Two]

I like the traditional sex roles. My wife stays home with the kids. I am the dad who goes to work...

In my house, I cook, clean the house, do the washing walk the dogs, put the trash out and so on. Mrs Rum goes out to work

Much the same for me, Rum, now that I'm retired. I clean the floors, wash the dishes, hang out the clothes, and do some shopping and cooking, while Bron heads out to do her tutoring...

Rum and Jim, you two wilfully and pathetically ignore nature. Will nobody think of the hormones? The physical strength of men? The fact that chaos is female and order is male?

I said nothing about nature, or hormones, or physical strength. My job takes zero physical strength, incidentally, and there is absolutely no reason women would not be able to do my job (and they are just as able). I just said what I prefer.

Not in this thread, but in your previous account as Coito ergo sum you had plenty to say about the different capabilities, the different ways women act and think and so on, based on biological and evolutionary grounds. In one of the threads you started, you began with: "I think there is some truth to what Hitchens has argued, both biologically and culturally. Women do not have as much of a biological or evolutionary need to be funny..." In another you went even further. You began a reply to Maiforpeace with: "Well, your species..." The latter example may have been you attempting to be funny, but I am sure that if anyone who could be bothered to do a bit of searching, they'd find plenty more comments of the former type authored by you among the other 30 threads you started with the word "women" in the title and elsewhere.

Plenty to say about different capabilities, different ways men and women act and think? What of it? What does that have to do with the exchange you just responded to. I like the traditional sex roles. Rum pointed out that in his house he cooks ,cleans and washes, takes out the trash and walks the dog. Mrs. Rum goes out to work. Great. I never said that wasn't cool. I too cook (to some extent), clean (to some extent), wash clothes (to some extent), take out the trash all the time, and we don't have a dog, but since the kids wanted a cat I clean the litter daily and feed it. So what?

Jim C said much the same for him, now that he's retired. He cleans the floors, wash the dishes, hang the clothes and does shopping and cooking. As I mentioned, I cook to some extent, I clean to some extent, I wash dishes to some extent, and I definitely do shopping. I love going to the grocery store. I get teased about it sometimes, because apparently hardly anyone likes to go grocery shopping. LOL. I ask the wife several times a week if I can stop on my way home, and I repeatedly ask if I can do the weekly shopping trip. She generally says no, but she knows I love to go. That's part of the reason she says no ,because I tend to buy excessive amounts of stuff.

Then comes the response - obviously sarcastically, that Rum and Jim "wilfully and pathetically ignore natuer - will noobdy think of the hormones! Physical strength of men? The fact that chaos is female and order male?

What in the Sam Hill is that about? Nothing about male and female nature says anything about Rum and Jim cooking, cleaning, washing, dog walking and bin emptying, nor did I imply that it did.

So make a point. You've declared that you think I made some commentary about the differences between male and females. What in the fucking hell do the differences between males and females have to do with my individual affinity for dad go to work, mom stay home with the kids, or the arrangement where the mom does the bulk of the housework because, well, she doesn't have any employment outside the home? What did I say wrong here? What the fuck are you on about? Are you saying my preference is less valid?

What do you think my view is related to men and women working or staying home and caring for home and family is? Be specific. When you read my posts about this ,what is it, exactly, that you're taking issue with and saying is wrong?

[Animavore]

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[Animavore]

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Not real communism

[Animavore]

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