Even more problematic stuff

[Hermit]

He was born in 1930, so I guess he could have been an SS officer in 1945, at the age of 15. They were scraping the bottom of the barrel then.

He WAS in the SS (if his own words are to be believed). So would you or I have been, in his circumstances.

Or dead.

You don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about. My father was a 21 year old lieutenant at the end of WWII. He was very much alive at the end of it. His father was a major at the end of the war. He hated Hitler, wouldn't have a picture of him hanging on any wall at home and told my father that if he ever considered joining the NSDAP, he will be disowned. He also was very much alive without joining the SS. My other grandfather was a Colonel at the end of the war, and although he was a Nazi, he never was a member of the SS. He died in 1953. Not joining the SS does not mean death.

Now I want you to cite the words, and provide a link to them, with which Soros said he was a member of the SS, thank you very much. I anticipate you won't find one.

I also strongly recommend reading one of the articles debunking the lies about George Soros. Seabass provided three of them [urlhttp://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1797132#p1797132]here[/url]. Personally, I think the Snopes article, titled Was George Soros an SS Officer or Nazi Collaborator During World War II?

[pErvinalia]

Cunt is nothing more than an empty rhetoric generator. He has no ability, or even desire, to use Google. He wants to avoid any specifics, and his main goal is to ask as many inane questions as possible in the aim of obscuring the fact that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

[Animavore]

Deeply, worrying problematic stuff.

Something’s Brewing in the Deep Red West
Rep. Matt Shea has been trying to create a libertarian utopia in the Pacific Northwest, a 51st state called Liberty. And he keeps getting elected.

When Washington state Rep. Matt Shea looks out before him, he sees a mostly male crowd in militia T-shirts smiling back. Gathered across an expanse of suburban grass, they hold yellow Don’t Tread on Me flags. A handful carry AR-15s and are dressed in tactical camouflage vests loaded up with ammunition. It’s a hot August Saturday at a public park in Spokane, Washington. Wildfire smoke blurs the sun.

“I’m gonna speak from the heart today,” Shea says into the microphone.

Here, despite being the only one in a blazer, this state legislator is just Matt: Matt who places a hand on a man’s shoulder, Matt who bows his head in prayer moments before stepping to the mic, Matt who tells one man, “Be blessed,” as they part ways.

“Our hope is not in man, our hope is in Jesus Christ. Can I get an ‘amen’?”

(He gets an amen.)

I’m on the ground at the “Liberty or Death” rally — a protest of 100 or so people aiming to draw attention to a package of state gun-control measures under consideration, ones this crowd sees as a clear sign of government tyranny.

A man holding an AR-15 pushes a stroller with one hand through the crowd, stopping next to me as his kid reaches a fat fist for a sippy cup just inches from the gun’s barrel. All around, people wear T-shirts and fly flags bearing eagles and declaring that “Free Men Don’t Need Permission” to bear arms. The mood here — through the messaging and the speakers and the literature being sold at tables — is that there is a problem in America, a sickness, a disease only these people have opened their eyes wide enough to see.

Shea, 44, tells the crowd that, as a “student of history,” he knows how the common theme of both Marxism and tyranny is “always to disarm the people.” They nod along. He mentions his military service (he served in both Iraq and Bosnia), but stays away from his expensive education at nearby Gonzaga University.

“All right, I’m gonna get a little fiery,” he says, a lilt under his words.

He directs his gaze toward a few reporters and yells, “I’m tired of the media! And I’m tired of those on the left saying God-given inalienable rights don’t seem to matter.”

“Let’s hold ’em accountable!” a guy from the crowd yells.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... x9D4V1Q2pU

Guns, God, anti-Liberalism, a propensity for violence... these guys are already mentally prepared for inflicting the horrors of facism.

[laklak]

I love the avatar, Ani.

[Forty Two]

That kind of symbolism is not, of course, stoking fear. Only Republicans stoke fear. Referring to Trump as literally Hitler, or just like Hitler, or worse than Hitler, Hitler-esque is not stoking fear or fear mongering. It's even-handed, careful political analysis. Just ask CNN.

[Joe]

It certainly quacks like a duck, but does it walk like one?

I remember some wag saying that if Trump was really Hitler 2.0, he would have repealed Obamacare. By this time in his reign as Chancellor, Hitler had been granted emergency powers to act without parliamentary approval, and was shutting down opposition on his way to becoming Fuhrer.

Mushroom Don spends a big part of each day in his bedroom watching TV and tweeting, while aides thwart much of what he wants. He couldn't even catch the anonymous author of that NY Times op-ed, much less jail judges that have thwarted his executive orders, round up and deport undocumented aliens, or ban the Democrats like a proper tyrant.

What he does get done is bad enough, but we're really lucky he's no Hitler.

[Animavore]

I love the avatar, Ani.

The original shows Jesus. Someone thought it would be funny to put Hitler

[Rum]

[Joe]

I love the avatar, Ani.

The original shows Jesus. Someone thought it would be funny to put Hitler

I wish i were good at that kind of thing. I'd put Oliver Hardy.

[Animavore]

I love the avatar, Ani.

The original shows Jesus. Someone thought it would be funny to put Hitler

I wish i were good at that kind of thing. I'd put Oliver Hardy.

[Rum]

I love the avatar, Ani.

The original shows Jesus. Someone thought it would be funny to put Hitler

I wish i were good at that kind of thing. I'd put Oliver Hardy.

Your wish etc...

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[Joe]

Perfect! Thanks Rum.

[Cunt]

He was born in 1930, so I guess he could have been an SS officer in 1945, at the age of 15. They were scraping the bottom of the barrel then.

He WAS in the SS (if his own words are to be believed). So would you or I have been, in his circumstances.

Or dead.

You don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

Fair enough, but it doesn't matter at all...I am shocked you can't see that.

Now I want you to cite the words, and provide a link to them, with which Soros said he was a member of the SS, thank you very much. I anticipate you won't find one.

I provided a link. In the interview, George says he was involved, and doesn't regret it. I don't blame him for 'being involved' (he wasn't in the SS, so what?)
He did what he had to do to survive during a tragic time.

The point of showing it was to refute the 'poor George' line, by showing that he is a wealthy celebrity, of interest to interviewers for YEARS.

Of course, with the added 'bait' of the distracting nazi claim.

An NPC would get stuck on that, rather than noticing that, both of us clearly agree, George is not 'poor George' by any reasonable definition.

I also strongly recommend reading one of the articles debunking the lies about George Soros. Seabass provided three of them [urlhttp://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1797132#p1797132]here[/url]. Personally, I think the Snopes article, titled Was George Soros an SS Officer or Nazi Collaborator During World War II?

Nah, I don't care which side a rich guy was on 70 years ago. I can accept that he is a swell guy, who wasn't bad even then. No need to look deeper, because I don't believe anything untrue about him.

Unless you ARE trying to make him out to be 'poor George'

[Hermit]

He was born in 1930, so I guess he could have been an SS officer in 1945, at the age of 15. They were scraping the bottom of the barrel then.

He WAS in the SS (if his own words are to be believed). So would you or I have been, in his circumstances.

Or dead.

You don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

Fair enough, but it doesn't matter at all...I am shocked you can't see that.

Actually, it matters a lot. You said: "He WAS in the SS (if his own words are to be believed)." and and that you or I would have been too, or dead. This is patently untrue. By the end of the war there were about a million members of the Waffen SS, as well as another approximately 300,000 members that were members of other sections of the SS and members who were killed during the war. At the end of the war there were approximately 65 million Germans left alive. This means that around 63 million of the 65 million Germans had never been members of the SS during the Nazi regime. So, one reason why you think Soros was a member of the SS has been emphatically destroyed.

Now I want you to cite the words, and provide a link to them, with which Soros said he was a member of the SS, thank you very much. I anticipate you won't find one.

I provided a link. In the interview, George says he was involved

Not so fast. You said "He WAS in the SS (if his own words are to be believed)." You're referring to this link, right? I listened to it again. Neither Soros nor his interviewer mentioned the SS, let alone membership thereof, once. Where does your claim that Soros, by his own words was a member of the SS? That's another reason why you think Soros was a member of the SS has been emphatically destroyed.

I don't blame him for 'being involved' (he wasn't in the SS, so what?)

Thanks for the grudging and long overdue admission that once again you were dead wrong. At least you can now admit that Soros was not a member of the elite among the racist fascists.

He did what he had to do to survive during a tragic time.

Let's have a look at what he actually did during that tragic time. Quoting from the link you provided, starting at 1:21:

Kroft: “No feeling of guilt?”

Soros: “No.”

Kroft: “For example, that, ‘I’m Jewish, and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be these, I should be there.’ None of that?”

Soros: “Well, of course, … I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was — well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in the markets — that if I weren’t there — of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would — would — would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the — whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the — I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.“

So what is left of Soros, the alleged SS member/Nazi collaborator? A 14 year old Jewish boy whose father has bribed a Hungarian government employee into pretending that George Soros is his Christian godson. Under Nazi occupied Hungary the so called godfather's job was to make inventory lists of properties confiscated from Jews by the Nazi occupiers. On at least one occasion this man decided to take the boy along to a three day job in the countryside rather than leave him at home by himself. Soros was well aware that hundreds of thousands of Jews were being deported to destinations where they were to be killed. He may have even seen some of them being loaded up in trucks to be taken to the trains that would get them there? Afraid of losing his own life he did not raise his voice in protest.

Does any of this make him a collaborator? I think not. The story of Soros's alleged SS membership/collaboration is an outrageous fabrication Gullibly accepting and spreading it reflects really badly on your intellectual and moral character. In short, you disgust me.

For the record, I generally enjoy debating people I disagree with, but this does not mean I should spend a lot of time with those who spread blatant lies while simultaneously displaying their intellectual deficiencies. I have therefore decided to minimise my interactions with you from now on. You are a waste of time.

[Brian Peacock]

Ah, but the sins of the father fall upon the son, to the seventh generation.