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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Galaxian » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:26 am

Here's another aspect that's been ignored. Why? Because 99% of people are not lateral thinkers. They can not think outside the box. And even when an unexpected idea comes along, their mental lethargy prevents them from seeing, or wanting to see the refreshing & fresh new concept. It's often referred to as "Cognitive Dissonance", or bigotry: Unwillingness to consider another factual presentation.

Here, Galaxian will consider the factor of inebriation. Yes, the rabid critics of Brett Kavanaugh rant on and on about his drinking. He was constantly sozzled. At every gathering great or small. He even said that he likes beer (the alcoholic variety).

What more do we need? He's a drunk, fits in well with what Forty Two has indicated about the legal eagles he's met. So, it follows, the lambasters say: "He must have raped ALL those girls, but doesn't remember it. Or, the drink drove him to it...it reduced his self-control, etc, etc". :yawn:

Let's see what the facts are about drinking alcohol and having sex, either consensual or forced:

https://www.everydayhealth.com/erectile ... -life.aspx
"Drink a little alcohol; kiss your bedroom jitters goodbye: Anyone who’s transformed into Don Juan after a couple of cocktails knows that. But beyond that newfound confidence, is alcohol good for your sex life?
Actually, the effect can be the opposite as your blood alcohol level increases. Alcohol is a depressant, and using it heavily can dampen mood, decrease sexual desire, and make it difficult for a man to achieve erections or reach an orgasm while under the influence. In fact, overdoing it on booze is a common cause of erectile dysfunction.
Temporary erectile dysfunction. Researchers have found that too much alcohol affects both your brain and your penis. In one University of Washington study, sober men were able to achieve an erection more quickly than intoxicated men — and some men are unable to have an erection at all after drinking.

That’s because pre-sex boozing decreases blood flow to your penis, reduces the intensity of your orgasm, and can dampen your level of excitement (in other words, even if you are able to have sex, it may not be nearly as pleasurable as it would be without the excess alcohol).

Long-term erectile dysfunction. The risk for long-term erectile dysfunction has been linked to chronic heavy use of alcohol. In fact, studies show that men who are dependent on alcohol have a 60 to 70 percent chance of suffering from sexual problems. The most common of these are erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, and loss of sexual desire."


Here's more. This time even the 'desire' for sex is dampened by too much alcohol...the amounts Kavanaugh partook of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_sex#In_men
"Men's sexual behaviors can be affected dramatically by alcohol. Both chronic and acute alcohol consumption have been shown in most [3][4][5] (but not all[6]) studies to inhibit testosterone production in the testes. This is believed to be caused by the metabolism of alcohol reducing the NAD+/NADH ratio both in the liver and the testes; since the synthesis of testosterone requires NAD+, this tends to reduce testosterone production.[7][8]

As testosterone is critical for libido and physical arousal,alcohol tends to have deleterious effects on male sexual performance. Studies have been conducted that indicate increasing levels of alcohol intoxication produce a significant degradation in male masturbatory effectiveness (MME). This degradation was measured by measuring blood alcohol concentration (BAC) and ejaculation latency.[9] Alcohol intoxication can decrease sexual arousal, decrease pleasureability and intensity of orgasm, and increase difficulty in attaining orgasm.


And there's much more literature on the topic of excessive alcohol & libido (sexual desire). So, since the Kavanaugh haters, the wowser goody-two-shoes want a celibate teetotaler as Supreme Court judge, they should also remember that Kavanaugh could not have been as promiscuous as has been alleged: His supposed heavy drinking refutes and contradicts the simultaneous accusation of being a sexual predator. But go ahead, demand that a puritan nanny be appointed, a man-hater with no insight into human foibles :prof:
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

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Blasey sounds like she was a lot of fun in high school.
Implying what? And do you really want to go there?
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Galaxian » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:21 am

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Brian Peacock wrote:
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I'm no fan of Argumentum ad YouTube and the video doesn't represent a proxy for my argument, which is that Mr Kavanaugh has demonstrated he doesn't have the necessary temperament or the political independence for the role. I posted it more for its light-hearted relief.
In a single paragraph you have contradicted yourself admirably! a) You're not in favor of seeing videos. But, b) Kavanaugh has demonstrated...
Pray, tell. How did you become aware that Kavanaugh "demonstrated" without seeing a video? Did you simply glean it from a transcribed text? If you only read it, would it not have been better to also "hear" it. And better yet, to "see" it. And better still to have been there. And the best, to have entered his brain and experienced his thoughts directly?

In other words; the more senses we use, the more accurate our interpretation of the information. There's no denying that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwwOrRchD0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf7HBOtjL_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpMGiUOd6fo
Brian Peacock wrote: I watched the live stream of the hearing on YouTube - to which my contemporaneous comments in this thread attest. I'm quite interested to see what lengths you're prepared to go to in order to support your contention by showing us how that is essentially no different than the stated Argumentum ad YouTube, where the content or existence of a video is used as a proxy for, or cited in lieu of, making an argument in, or on, one's own terms. You had a good first stab by implying I operate to a double standard, now I'd like to see the meat in your sandwich.
The meat in my sandwich is in the large print, above. Presenting our thoughts, concepts, arguments, etc, in a video is often a more powerful & informative way of communication. Would you that in the year 2018 we be restricted to typing, or even longhand? Perhaps we should only communicate by snail-mail? Or better yet, only as far as the wind carries our voice?
Here's a case in point. Watch the videos from Snordster. Are they as effectively relayed using only text?

It should be clear to any thinking & unbiased person that a principle definition of sentience is the ability to process information. The most information is carried when the bandwidth is comprised of as many channels of transmission as possible for that organism. Otherwise your rationale implies that we may as well descend to the level of worms. :coffee:
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Rum » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:28 am

Galaxian wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:26 am
Here's another aspect that's been ignored. Why? Because 99% of people are not lateral thinkers. They can not think outside the box. And even when an unexpected idea comes along, their mental lethargy prevents them from seeing, or wanting to see the refreshing & fresh new concept. It's often referred to as "Cognitive Dissonance", or bigotry: Unwillingness to consider another factual presentation.

Here, Galaxian will consider the factor of inebriation. Yes, the rabid critics of Brett Kavanaugh rant on and on about his drinking. He was constantly sozzled. At every gathering great or small. He even said that he likes beer (the alcoholic variety).

What more do we need? He's a drunk, fits in well with what Forty Two has indicated about the legal eagles he's met. So, it follows, the lambasters say: "He must have raped ALL those girls, but doesn't remember it. Or, the drink drove him to it...it reduced his self-control, etc, etc". :yawn:

Let's see what the facts are about drinking alcohol and having sex, either consensual or forced:

https://www.everydayhealth.com/erectile ... -life.aspx
"Drink a little alcohol; kiss your bedroom jitters goodbye: Anyone who’s transformed into Don Juan after a couple of cocktails knows that. But beyond that newfound confidence, is alcohol good for your sex life?
Actually, the effect can be the opposite as your blood alcohol level increases. Alcohol is a depressant, and using it heavily can dampen mood, decrease sexual desire, and make it difficult for a man to achieve erections or reach an orgasm while under the influence. In fact, overdoing it on booze is a common cause of erectile dysfunction.
Temporary erectile dysfunction. Researchers have found that too much alcohol affects both your brain and your penis. In one University of Washington study, sober men were able to achieve an erection more quickly than intoxicated men — and some men are unable to have an erection at all after drinking.

That’s because pre-sex boozing decreases blood flow to your penis, reduces the intensity of your orgasm, and can dampen your level of excitement (in other words, even if you are able to have sex, it may not be nearly as pleasurable as it would be without the excess alcohol).

Long-term erectile dysfunction. The risk for long-term erectile dysfunction has been linked to chronic heavy use of alcohol. In fact, studies show that men who are dependent on alcohol have a 60 to 70 percent chance of suffering from sexual problems. The most common of these are erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, and loss of sexual desire."


Here's more. This time even the 'desire' for sex is dampened by too much alcohol...the amounts Kavanaugh partook of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_sex#In_men
"Men's sexual behaviors can be affected dramatically by alcohol. Both chronic and acute alcohol consumption have been shown in most [3][4][5] (but not all[6]) studies to inhibit testosterone production in the testes. This is believed to be caused by the metabolism of alcohol reducing the NAD+/NADH ratio both in the liver and the testes; since the synthesis of testosterone requires NAD+, this tends to reduce testosterone production.[7][8]

As testosterone is critical for libido and physical arousal,alcohol tends to have deleterious effects on male sexual performance. Studies have been conducted that indicate increasing levels of alcohol intoxication produce a significant degradation in male masturbatory effectiveness (MME). This degradation was measured by measuring blood alcohol concentration (BAC) and ejaculation latency.[9] Alcohol intoxication can decrease sexual arousal, decrease pleasureability and intensity of orgasm, and increase difficulty in attaining orgasm.


And there's much more literature on the topic of excessive alcohol & libido (sexual desire). So, since the Kavanaugh haters, the wowser goody-two-shoes want a celibate teetotaler as Supreme Court judge, they should also remember that Kavanaugh could not have been as promiscuous as has been alleged: His supposed heavy drinking refutes and contradicts the simultaneous accusation of being a sexual predator. But go ahead, demand that a puritan nanny be appointed, a man-hater with no insight into human foibles :prof:
You have wasted a huge amount of your limited time on earth with this post (unless your intergalactic status confers immortality upon you too). I was drunk a great deal in my 20s and up to my mid thirties and I also had (consensual) sex with several dozen or more women. End of hypothesis.

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Vote going ahead with arrogant lier who lied under oath about his previous work, drinking games, drinking blackouts etc etc. A pillar of society! Compare to Ford:I don’t remember.
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GOP and White House requested FBI report as figleaf
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersr ... story.html
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Tero » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:12 pm

Franken, with no dick waggling, mocked by Trump
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... ms-1149574
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:20 pm

Tero wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:12 pm
Franken, with no dick waggling, mocked by Trump
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... ms-1149574
Franken should never have resigned over that bullshit.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:28 pm

Tero wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:46 am
Vote going ahead with arrogant lier who lied under oath about his previous work, drinking games, drinking blackouts etc etc. A pillar of society! Compare to Ford:I don’t remember.
Or, compare Ford - I'm afraid of flying (oh, wait, I'm not), I needed two doors because of Kavanaugh (oh, wait, I didn't), I never helped anyone with a polygraph (oh, wait, I did), the party occurred at this time (no, sorry was a different time), it occurred here (no it was at another place), there were x number of people there (no, got that wrong too), Leland was there and saw Kavanaugh (never met him), PJ was there (don't know what you're talking about), the layout of the location was like this (no, I got that wrong too), somebody dropped me off there (can't remember who), I ran out of the house without a word after popping up to take a piss (nobody noticed, nobody cared, including my good friend), I ran right past them into the street (miles from home, I was given a ride, just don't know by whom), I first mentioned this in 2012 when I argued with my husband over a second front door (second front door was put up years earlier to rent part of my house to strangers).
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:30 pm

Galaxian wrote:
Galaxian wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:49 am
I'm no fan of Argumentum ad YouTube and the video doesn't represent a proxy for my argument, which is that Mr Kavanaugh has demonstrated he doesn't have the necessary temperament or the political independence for the role. I posted it more for its light-hearted relief.
In a single paragraph you have contradicted yourself admirably! a) You're not in favor of seeing videos. But, b) Kavanaugh has demonstrated...
Pray, tell. How did you become aware that Kavanaugh "demonstrated" without seeing a video? Did you simply glean it from a transcribed text? If you only read it, would it not have been better to also "hear" it. And better yet, to "see" it. And better still to have been there. And the best, to have entered his brain and experienced his thoughts directly?

In other words; the more senses we use, the more accurate our interpretation of the information. There's no denying that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwwOrRchD0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf7HBOtjL_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpMGiUOd6fo
Brian Peacock wrote: I watched the live stream of the hearing on YouTube - to which my contemporaneous comments in this thread attest. I'm quite interested to see what lengths you're prepared to go to in order to support your contention by showing us how that is essentially no different than the stated Argumentum ad YouTube, where the content or existence of a video is used as a proxy for, or cited in lieu of, making an argument in, or on, one's own terms. You had a good first stab by implying I operate to a double standard, now I'd like to see the meat in your sandwich.
The meat in my sandwich is in the large print, above. Presenting our thoughts, concepts, arguments, etc, in a video is often a more powerful & informative way of communication. Would you that in the year 2018 we be restricted to typing, or even longhand? Perhaps we should only communicate by snail-mail? Or better yet, only as far as the wind carries our voice?
Here's a case in point. Watch the videos from Snordster. Are they as effectively relayed using only text?

It should be clear to any thinking & unbiased person that a principle definition of sentience is the ability to process information. The most information is carried when the bandwidth is comprised of as many channels of transmission as possible for that organism. Otherwise your rationale implies that we may as well descend to the level of worms. :coffee:


You seem a little confused. The context of my remark was a response to Siva, who though that I might have been making a specific kind of point with the video I posted; that the video was making/forwarding an argument on my behalf, or as I called it, Argumentum ad YouTube. Nobody is disputing that YT videos can be interesting and informative - but unlike some I tend not to rely on their content or existence to forward a point on my behalf. In other words, I make an effort to explain my position rather than just linking to a video that does it for me.


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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:59 pm

Hermit wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:01 am
Forty Two wrote:
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Google says "Don't tell people stupid shit that would weaken Iberian peninsula"
The FBI should have investigated to confirm that. Lots of testimony to be taken.
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Blasey sounds like she was a lot of fun in high school.
Implying what? And do you really want to go there?
Implying that she liked to party in high school, including booze, sex and rock n' roll.

And, yes, I don't mind going there, because it doesn't disqualify her from anything, and says nothing about her veracity. She sounds like a lot of fun. Kavanaugh was a typical high school partier, too. He liked kegs, dated girls, and made politically incorrect jokes and comments -- like every other normal person.

Do we think he's the only high level politician that drank? Was present at bar fights? Came home drunk regularly in his freshman year of college?
A morning whiskey "mouthwash," a bottle of champagne at lunch, drink-offs with President Roosevelt. All in a day's work for U.K. Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
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Churchill’s unquenchable thirst for alcohol wasn’t exactly a secret. White House staffers in Franklin Roosevelt’s administration had a special term when Churchill came for a visit: “Winston Hours.” Basically, during this time the president and prime minister would get three sheets to the wind. Supposedly, Roosevelt needed to sleep for 10 hours a night for three nights to recover from “Winston Hours.
He was once quoted as saying, “When I was younger I made it a rule never to take strong drink before lunch. It is now my rule never to do so before breakfast.”

His cabinets were always stocked with whiskey, claret, and port. In 1936, Churchill reportedly had a tab with his wine merchant that was today’s equivalent of $75,000 today.

When he became prime minister in 1940, Churchill refused to moderate his drinking. He admitted that he had a reliance on alcohol, but made no attempts to quit. Lunch and dinner were accompanied by brandy and champagne, and he always had a glass of whiskey by his side.
Now, every Democrat hears about an appointee who liked "keggers" as a teenager and college kid and they're waving Japan fans to keep themselves from fainting. He played drinking games when he was young! Oh, heavens to betsy!

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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:05 pm

Śiva wrote:
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Aha... case cracked. There was a keg in the room! :zig:
I heard Kavanaugh pledged a fraternity, too: Tappa Kegga Day. :rimshot:
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:21 pm

It's really something to watch you keep misrepresenting people. It's like a tic.

Do you have some examples of people talking about his drinking outside the context of him possibly lying about the extent of it?

Because that is what I've seen. If you don't then how can you get out of the accusation that you're misrepresenting the other side? You've consistently made out that they have a problem with his drinking. You've attempted to paint them as something like holy rollers, or old school Southern Baptists, etc. But you're not showing any examples of that.

Now, I find the line of questioning awkward to say the least, and the utter failure on their part to understand why someone --anyone-- especially someone in Kavanaugh's position would minimize the drinking bizarre. It isn't necessarily a sign of poor character on his part, is it? I'd like to see those who say it is stand up to an accusation of attempted rape while simultaneously giving the prosecutors that old school ammo of drink and party! :lol: They couldn't do it. They aren't stupid. Everything is relative. From one position the drink and party is harmless, in another it is weaponized.

So I'm actually sympathetic to his need to minimize in this situation, and I don't necessarily count that against him.
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:27 pm

Yes Sean, it's as if the notion of an obligation towards charitability in honest discourse doesn't even exist.

The point with this last flurry is that the very things that are being touted as inconsequential about Mr Kavanaugh, like his penchant for beer and drinking games as a youth, are exactly the things he misled the senate committee about last week.
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