Problematic Stuff

[Scot Dutchy]

The real Scot Dutchy is still here. It was very difficult in my youth. At twelve I decided enough was enough and became a loner and got very thick skin. It has done me in good stead. I never mentioned how I felt to anyone. You just could not. There was no information to be had. I was not homo in fact the reverse. I did try bi but that was not any good. I dont like men.
When I was in my late thirties I did attend a transgender clinic in Amsterdam but after careful thought I decided I was too old to take any action that would physically change me. I have just lived with it as so many of my generation have.
These days with all my complaints (tinnitus, cluster headaches and strokes) there is not much room left to worry about such things but coming here was the best move I made.

[Brian Peacock]

You're a big softie really aren't you?

[Scot Dutchy]

Inside deep down maybe but as the Dutch say "I have plenty of hard skin on my soul" which I have needed.

[Cunt]

You cant change gender at will. Once again Cunt you are being one. I think basically you are very uncomfortable at the thought what you see is not what you get.

You aren't understanding, Scot Dutchy.

Those ideal trans people you are describing are going to be as honest as you imagine them.

But when this law is available, I assure you people will abuse it.

Now, as to the law (in Canada) my understanding is that one only needs to decide to change, and their new choice is immediately protected under our Human Rights legislation.

If it's different where you are, that would be the source of our misunderstanding.

If not, maybe you are making the mistake of only thinking honest people will avail themselves of this law.

Your attitude is: "Just keep it private so that I am not confronted with any of it as I cant handle it".

Nope. I have some of this around my life already. More wouldn't bother me.

Honestly if I were dating, it might bother me a bit more, but that's just because I'm old fashioned about my sexual preferences. Some of my trans friends think they shouldn't have to disclose their status to someone they are dating.

[Cunt]

I always adapt to the most rational view. If you can present a rational argument for the type of conservatism practised by the Republicans in the US, have at it.

How about this - people have the right to come to their own decisions about who they vote for.

[Cunt]

Not for everyone, surely. But with the law now in place, anyone can change their 'gender' at will, to whatever they want. If I misunderstood the law, say so, but I expect there will be a variety of uses, as honest as any variety of people.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but I am afraid your have misunderstood the law, and a few other things besides. Firstly you continue to operate on the assumption that gender is a choice -- the point you hastened to avoid there

I'll try again here, but you seem to be resistant to looking at reality.

Gender is not a choice for those you are describing (arguably those who the law was written for). Lets set them aside, and look at the rest of the people.

Is gender a choice for them? (legally?)

Any one of the remaining citizens can change their gender 'at will'. If there is some barrier to doing so, I can't find it in law.

So anyone can be a man, woman or newly-defined gender at will.

the law allows "anyone [to] change their 'gender' at will" when in fact all it does is place on a legal footing the recognition of those gender-labels (for want of a better term) that more accurately reflect an individual's, well, individuality than was strictly defined in law before.

Are you really so thick that you can't imagine people using this law in a way you don't expect?

I don't care what gender anyone uses. I do care if they can make others use special language around them.

Pronouns are owned by the one uttering them. Get your gender-specialty language out of my mouth please.

Your 'state' ends where my lips begin.

If you remember your social history you'll know that not too long ago women had little to no legal rights in society - they were the property of the men who owned them -- but, over time, the concerns and rights of women were argued for, recognised, supported, and finally integrated into statutes. And even within living memory the once morally and legally dubious status of queer citizens was acknowledged, addressed and, in time, an equality of standing and regard was formally integrated into statute law (a very similar thing happened with the black citizens in the US but for differnt reasons). Now we are recognising that the transgendered comprise a group that fells between the cracks as women and queers did and, acknowledging that, and addressing it, are coming up with solutions to remedy that legal shortfall. It's called progress.

How is language policing making people more accepting? Will the legislation be expanded to include eye-rolls or mocking gestures?

You're bleating on about what this means for you, about how 'they' are making it illegal for you to use the wrong pronoun or complain about someone with boobs using the next urinal - but this isn't about you darling, not even a little bit.

Darling?

You are so classy.

You have to use my pronouns, right? I'm going to go see if you have been. If you haven't, I'll know you aren't serious about this.

It's no more about you than giving women the vote was about men.

Of course kitten.

You don't have to like the transgendered or even approve of them

What does 'like' have to do with it? Are you going to assume I don't like individuals because I don't like a political stance?

You sound like pErvinalia...

In your fantasy world, only honest, pure and upright trannies and freaks will ever assert their rights under this law. It's hilarious.

Do you think there could be some negative consequences to allowing children to make such significant decisions? Or are you only willing to look at the positive consequences?

[Sean Hayden]

I'm always happy to accept potential negative consequences. No good deed goes unpunished after all. But I don't accept that negative possibilities make a decision bad. None of us do really. But I think we have a tendency to give any possible negative consequences more weight when we oppose something. Naturally the opposite is also true.

So, do the possible negatives outweigh the good?

--we'll just ignore people who can't accept any bad coming from any decision, they're fucking hopeless wimps

[Cunt]

New problematic stuff...
https://youtu.be/MECcIJW67-M

Alexa is some creepy shit. Check out the contrast between what it's recording says about Islam, Mohommad and his 9-year old daughter.

[Scot Dutchy]

You aren't understanding, Scot Dutchy.

FFS you are really one fucking one of your namesake's. Just fuck off. Welcome to my ignore list.

[Cunt]

Something I said made you uncomfortable?

I don't mind admitting that some would use this law as you say. You seem to think no-one would ever use it any other way.

I'm sorry I made you imagine a less-than-holy use of gender laws.

[Brian Peacock]

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Are you really so thick that you can't imagine people using this law in a way you don't expect?

Yes. I can imagine it. How likely or problematic that would be is another matter entirely.

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How is language policing making people more accepting? Will the legislation be expanded to include eye-rolls or mocking gestures?

Have you tried calling a black guy nigger, coon, or boy recently?

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Do you think there could be some negative consequences to allowing children to make such significant decisions? Or are you only willing to look at the positive consequences?

What's the alternative to letting children be who they are?

More YouTubes:
Living a Transgender Childhood (Full Documentary) 21m.
Born in the Wrong Body : My Transgender Kid 47m

[Cunt]

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Are you really so thick that you can't imagine people using this law in a way you don't expect?

Yes. I can imagine it. How likely or problematic that would be is another matter entirely.

Since I think you are less likely to imagine properly (given your posts here) let me give you one striking example - Fallon Fox.

What do you think? Respect her gender expression?

Another question, though a bit more subtle - should this Alberta man be allowed to change his gender to qualify for cheaper car insurance?

(it happened in Alberta recently)

Under a 2015 reform brought in by Alberta’s Progressive Conservatives, to change the gender on a birth certificate applicants need only provide a note from an accredited physician or psychologist indicating that they identify as a different sex.

“It was pretty simple. I just basically asked for it and told (the doctor) that I identify as a woman, or I’d like to identify as a woman, and he wrote me the letter I wanted,” David told CBC.

If you say yes, remember that insurance isn't the only place where women get an advantage, and will get less advantage as insurance companies experience this shift.

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How is language policing making people more accepting? Will the legislation be expanded to include eye-rolls or mocking gestures?

Have you tried calling a black guy nigger, coon, or boy recently?

So what you are saying is that violence will enforce certain manners?

If that is true (and you seem to like it) why do we need laws? You aren't suggesting that the trans people are somehow different from black guys, are you?

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Do you think there could be some negative consequences to allowing children to make such significant decisions? Or are you only willing to look at the positive consequences?

What's the alternative to letting children be who they are?

More YouTubes:
Living a Transgender Childhood (Full Documentary) 21m.
Born in the Wrong Body : My Transgender Kid 47m

Do you only watch trans-positive stories? Because that is why I started looking for more critical information. Everyone I know is chanting along with the government on this.

What would you say has been the best criticism of allowing everyone to change genders or invent them? (hint - if you haven't heard a good criticism, maybe you are not as open to criticism as you think)

I have friends who are trans (as well as tranny's) and friends whose children are choosing another gender, so don't think I haven't heard the government sanctioned information about this. I read CBC. What I doubt though, is that you will be able to provide any criticism you respect on the issues around this.

I am very interested in what you think of the Fallon Fox issue though. We all know that women are much weaker than men, so what do we do when a woman who used to be a man, wishes to dominate women in the ring?

[Cunt]

Womans marchers represent themselves as well as any woman could!
https://youtu.be/XUDtoDAGVE8

[Brian Peacock]

@Cunt. I'm a pretty live-and-let-live kind of guy. I don't think people are going to be switching sex just to succeed in easier class of sport, well, other than the Iranian Women's soccer team of course, and anyone who does that deserves all the ridicule mustered against them. From what little I know of Megan Fox--only what I've picked up from Joe Rogan's podcast--she didn't trans to forward her career even if it may have given her some physical advantage. I don't see how it gives her a skills advantage, or a motivational advantage, or a stick-to-it-while-she's-being-kick-in-the-head advantage. Which is to say, her opponents are not automatically at a disadvantage just because she was born male. If you want me to tell you whether she should be allowed to fight on the womens' card or not, all I'd say is that it's up to the sports governing body. You're still going to have to show me how acknowledging the status of the transgendered is relevant to the example of Fallon Fox. Do you think that such a law encourages guys to get their dick's chopped off so they can beat women at sport?

So, what's the alternative to letting children be who they are?

When it comes to this 'good criticism' of which you speak, well, I'm all ears. Have at it.

[Sean Hayden]

There's no need. This argument is an old one. If we give rights to others our own will be diminished. Or in this case, our insurance will go up?