Should the UK have a second Brexit referendum?

[Rum]

There does seem to be a groundswell. People are realising what leaving the EU really means and the problems it entails. Recent polls suggest it would be a popular move. On the other hand ‘the people have spoken’ and the leave rabble would create mahem. Despite that I’m for it. Leaving is such a baaaaaad move!

[Seabass]

For god's sake, yes. Time to put a stop to this Brexit madness. But only if 'Murica gets a do-over with Trump. It's only fair.

[laklak]

Hey, there's the midterms. Give the House and Senate to the Dems and they'll impeach. We'll get Mike Pence, but there you go.

[Svartalf]

too late, art.50 has already been invoked, humpty dumpty lies in pieces at the foot of the wall.

[rainbow]

[cronus]

No point asking about second chances this close to the ground and with arguments over whose flying the plane Rum. It'd take a miracle to avoid a unimaginable nightmare decade or three that's coming.

[Rum]

No point asking about second chances this close to the ground and with arguments over whose flying the plane Rum. It'd take a miracle to avoid a unimaginable nightmare decade or three that's coming.

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[Scot Dutchy]

too late, art.50 has already been invoked, humpty dumpty lies in pieces at the foot of the wall.

This seems to be the fallacy world that Corbyn also abides in. The decision has been made. 31st March next year you are out. There is no mechanism for turning it back. An extension is the best to hope for and that has to be agreed by the full Council of leaders and that is asking a lot and will take time as approval has to be given by all parliaments.

We also have to see what is left after the tory conference.

[Hermit]

Deciding a referendum on the basis of a simple majority, let alone such a small one, is ridiculous. If one percent of those who bothered to vote had ticked "remain" instead of "leave", it would have been a tie. 48 to 52% is near enough to one in my mind.

That said, having another referendum before the wish of the people, as expressed in the first, has been fulfilled would make a mockery of the very idea of holding referendums - the most direct form of democracy - in the first place. Unless the UK does not care about democracy it really has no choice but to swallow the bitter pill that is Brexit. It will be OK to hold another referendum, preferably not under conditions where it is decided by (potentially) 50% plus one vote after it has tasted it for a while.

[cronus]

Deciding a referendum on the basis of a simple majority, let alone such a small one, is ridiculous. If one percent of those who bothered to vote had ticked "remain" instead of "leave", it would have been a tie. 48 to 52% is near enough to one in my mind.

That said, having another referendum before the wish of the people, as expressed in the first, has been fulfilled would make a mockery of the very idea of holding referendums - the most direct form of democracy - in the first place. Unless the UK does not care about democracy it really has no choice but to swallow the bitter pill that is Brexit. It will be OK to hold another referendum, preferably not under conditions where it is decided by (potentially) 50% plus one vote after it has tasted it for a while.

Unique situation though. No point being too politically correct with these stakes? Won't happen...all the same.

[Rum]

I tend to agree that it won't happen. There is an 'unless' though - and that is unless Parliament can't agree on arrangments. I think the EU would be more than happy to reverse things if needs be.

Other countries have held second referendums about Europe (usually when the 'elite' haven't liked the result of the first!)

[Svartalf]

The EU would not be happy to reverse anything. UK has been a troublemaker for all of it's membership... most members are happy to be able to do without them. plus, the less players in the game, the easier it is to manage the community. I will take quite some time before old rancours get assuaged.

[Rum]

The EU would not be happy to reverse anything. UK has been a troublemaker for all of it's membership... most members are happy to be able to do without them. plus, the less players in the game, the easier it is to manage the community. I will take quite some time before old rancours get assuaged.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-wants-to

The door remains open to the European Union if the UK wants to change its mind on Brexit, the most senior leaders of the EU institutions have said.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... ut-leaving

President Emmanuel Macron, recently declared, at joint press conference with Theresa May, that until “negotiations come to an end, there is always a chance to reopen the door”. Britain, in other words, could still choose to stay in the European Union.

[Rum]

The EU would not be happy to reverse anything. UK has been a troublemaker for all of it's membership... most members are happy to be able to do without them. plus, the less players in the game, the easier it is to manage the community. I will take quite some time before old rancours get assuaged.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-wants-to

The door remains open to the European Union if the UK wants to change its mind on Brexit, the most senior leaders of the EU institutions have said.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... ut-leaving

President Emmanuel Macron, recently declared, at joint press conference with Theresa May, that until “negotiations come to an end, there is always a chance to reopen the door”. Britain, in other words, could still choose to stay in the European Union.

It seems unlikely though I agree.

[Scot Dutchy]

The EU would not be happy to reverse anything. UK has been a troublemaker for all of it's membership... most members are happy to be able to do without them. plus, the less players in the game, the easier it is to manage the community. I will take quite some time before old rancours get assuaged.

That is something the Brits never understand. Ever since the Thatcher days the UK has never been a true member. They have this idea of that the EU really wants them. It doesn't. The way EU leaders have said this is in the same tone and meaningless of an Englishman says you must visit his home one day. He never means it. Apart from a bit of trade the UK will not be missed one bit. Its contribution to the EU project has only been negative. When it applies to rejoin (as it will) conditions will have completely changed.