Problematic Stuff

[Seabass]

Are you trying to equate rejecting illegal immigration with 'ethnically cleansing'?

If you think that's all they've done, then you haven't been paying attention.

[pErvinalia]

In fact, to dismiss, decry, or disavow something on the basis of 'Conservatism' could just be another example of under-estimating the differences inside a category and over-estimating the differences between categories.

Yeah but conservatism is a mental illness.

[pErvinalia]

But women DON'T have penises...

Transgender women can certainly have penises.

That's one view of it, which depends on one's definition of sex, gender, and whether being "transgender" means that one is actually the sex or gender to which the transition is claimed.

If we were to accept that sex is biological and gender is something a person identifies as and can change/trans to (and can even be non-binary and change back and forth), then I would say it's very easy to argue that women don't have penis and transgender women aren't biologically women.

That's a non-sequitur. The conclusion that they aren't biologically women doesn't flow from the arguments. As Brian(?) said, what's the basis for thinking that gender resides in the genitals? There's a whole other suite of biological features/systems that it could reside in.

Biological doesn't mean that it's solely dependent on the genitals.

And, I said that sex is biological, I did not say that gender was.

Part of the difficulty in this discussion is the mixing of arguments. Often, it is said that sex and gender are different. Gender is what people mentally identify as. Sex is biological. If one accepts that (and not everyone does), then women (sex) don't have penises because biologically, they are sexually female. Gender is what a person identifies as, so if a person says that they are woman even though they are biologically female, then they are gender woman in their mind. However, it would not be incorrect to still call them biologically female (sex).

What's your basis for thinking that gender is something someone chooses, suggesting that it isn't biologically based?

[pErvinalia]

That bumpersticker kind of misses the point that EVERYONE acts like they aren't having sex, when in public. Gays do this, too. Especially the quiet majority. The ones who parade around their sexuality are reviled whether straight or gay.

How very conservative of you. You are perennially concerned with what other people are doing, aren't you? They're fat, they have purple hair, they're lesbians, etc etc...

[Cunt]

That bumpersticker kind of misses the point that EVERYONE acts like they aren't having sex, when in public. Gays do this, too. Especially the quiet majority. The ones who parade around their sexuality are reviled whether straight or gay.

How very conservative of you. You are perennially concerned with what other people are doing, aren't you? They're fat, they have purple hair, they're lesbians, etc etc...

Don't you wish you could be taken seriously? I mean, wouldn't you feel great if you thought people accepted your words as serious?

[Cunt]

Are you trying to equate rejecting illegal immigration with 'ethnically cleansing'?

If you think that's all they've done, then you haven't been paying attention.

They haven't, to my knowledge, done any ethnic cleansing. Let me ask you this - would members of one party call it securing borders lawfully, while the other would call it ethnic cleansing?

If so, maybe you can rephrase in a way that doesn't make you come off sounding like a democrat cartoon...

[pErvinalia]

That bumpersticker kind of misses the point that EVERYONE acts like they aren't having sex, when in public. Gays do this, too. Especially the quiet majority. The ones who parade around their sexuality are reviled whether straight or gay.

How very conservative of you. You are perennially concerned with what other people are doing, aren't you? They're fat, they have purple hair, they're lesbians, etc etc...

Don't you wish you could be taken seriously? I mean, wouldn't you feel great if you thought people accepted your words as serious?

trolololol.

[Seabass]

They haven't, to my knowledge, done any ethnic cleansing.

Well then you're knowledge is lacking.

[Cunt]

They haven't, to my knowledge, done any ethnic cleansing.

Well then you're knowledge is lacking.

Or you are lying to exaggerate a point.

Why not tell us what 'ethnic cleansing' he is doing? My guess is you exaggerate immigration enforcement, but I might be wrong.

[Seabass]

They haven't, to my knowledge, done any ethnic cleansing.

Well then you're knowledge is lacking.

Or you are lying to exaggerate a point.

Or you confusing the term "ethnic cleansing" with "genocide".

Ethnic cleansing:
1. the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of an ethnic minority by a dominant majority in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity
2. the practice of removing or killing people who belong to an ethnic group that is different from the ruling group in a country or region
https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... 0cleansing

Why not tell us what 'ethnic cleansing' he is doing?

That info is already all over the forum.

[Cunt]

They haven't, to my knowledge, done any ethnic cleansing.

Well then you're knowledge is lacking.

Or you are lying to exaggerate a point.

Or you confusing the term "ethnic cleansing" with "genocide".

Ethnic cleansing:
1. the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of an ethnic minority by a dominant majority in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity
2. the practice of removing or killing people who belong to an ethnic group that is different from the ruling group in a country or region
https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... 0cleansing

Why not tell us what 'ethnic cleansing' he is doing?

That info is already all over the forum.

No, there are claims that he is ethnically cleansing, but other than ejecting criminals, and temporarily blocking immigration from a few countries, I don't even know what you might be on about.

Ethnic cleansing isn't happening in the US. Unless you mean the cleansing guilt of the white patriarch...

[Seabass]

I don't even know what you might be on about.

Yeah, no shit. You're what some refer to as a "low information voter". Fortunately, you can't vote here. Unfortunately, there are many like you who can.

[Cunt]

I don't even know what you might be on about.

Yeah, no shit. You're what some refer to as a "low information voter". Fortunately, you can't vote here. Unfortunately, there are many like you who can.

So your claim of ethnic cleansing sounds hollow, made up and insulting.

From this, I can conclude that you will make shit up, that sounds empty, and use it to insult your political opponents.

In fact, I can't think of anything you have said, which suggests that you have any respect for anyone who votes different than you.

And you call me 'low information voter'...

[Cunt]

What's your basis for thinking that gender is something someone chooses, suggesting that it isn't biologically based?

I can't speak for him, but according to Canadas human rights law, you can choose your gender every morning when you wake.

This, to me, suggests strongly that there is no biological basis, but maybe Forty Two will have a different answer.

What's your basis for thinking that gender IS something biologically based? Male and female are, but 'gender' is not tied to biological sex.

[pErvinalia]

What's your basis for thinking that gender is something someone chooses, suggesting that it isn't biologically based?

I can't speak for him, but according to Canadas human rights law, you can choose your gender every morning when you wake.

A small minority of people might really choose in the sense that they are whimsical and have nothing better to do. But a more likely case is if you feel like a female in a male body, for instance, how accurate is it to say that you "chose" that situation?

What's your basis for thinking that gender IS something biologically based? Male and female are, but 'gender' is not tied to biological sex.

I didn't assert that it is biological. Another conservative who can't read properly. But L'Emmy has provided some scientific evidence that it is biological, so that would seem to add some weight to that side of the argument.