bulletproof schoolbags

Post Reply
User avatar
Sean Hayden
Microagressor
Posts: 18937
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:55 pm
About me: recovering humanist
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:15 pm

Rum wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:12 pm
Sean Hayden wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:06 pm
Seriously Europe, do you guys even study your history? You've had wars longer than we've been a nation! What shall I make of you lot based on that? Nothing I suppose because you've put together a few decades of peace...not counting violence elsewhere...
I think you are being defensive. I wasn't suggesting that America was bad and the rest of us were angels. Europe has a long history of death and destruction as you say. But there is something in the founding myths and history of your country that seems to glorify it to some extent.

Just trying to add to the conversation about why you guys shoot each other in the tens of thousands ffs.
Because poverty, a big part owing to our history of slavery and racism resulting in ghettos full of angry young black men who continue to be preyed upon by a corrupt justice system.

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Rum » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:16 pm

Śiva wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:14 pm
What's so egregious about "assault rifles?"
They fucking kill people - and loads at a time.

User avatar
Sean Hayden
Microagressor
Posts: 18937
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:55 pm
About me: recovering humanist
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:20 pm

Or did you guys really think it was John Wayne? :lol:

Our violence is the result of incredible inequalities that we deny, deny, deny.

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Rum » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:21 pm

That makes more sense to me than anything I've read.

User avatar
Jason
Destroyer of words
Posts: 17782
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:46 pm
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Jason » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:26 pm

Rum wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:16 pm
Śiva wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:14 pm
What's so egregious about "assault rifles?"
They fucking kill people - and loads at a time.
Not much more than a rifle from world war 2. I fail to see the critical distinction. Would you please expand?

User avatar
Jason
Destroyer of words
Posts: 17782
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:46 pm
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Jason » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:27 pm

Rum wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:12 pm
Sean Hayden wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:06 pm
Seriously Europe, do you guys even study your history? You've had wars longer than we've been a nation! What shall I make of you lot based on that? Nothing I suppose because you've put together a few decades of peace...not counting violence elsewhere...
I think you are being defensive. I wasn't suggesting that America was bad and the rest of us were angels. Europe has a long history of death and destruction as you say. But there is something in the founding myths and history of your country that seems to glorify it to some extent.

Just trying to add to the conversation about why you guys shoot each other in the tens of thousands ffs.
Do you suppose that if guns were to suddenly vanish by some deus ex machina, or whatever, from the United States that the violence would suddenly cease?

User avatar
Svartalf
Offensive Grail Keeper
Posts: 41041
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:42 pm
Location: Paris France
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Svartalf » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:28 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:11 pm
, you have to admit that the country is founded on violence

Vs France, you must be joking? We're practically saints compared to Europe. :tea:
Depends what king, Louis XIV loved war too much, he himself said so, but Henry IV did all he could to bring back peace between the warring catholic and protestant factions.and the Romans accultured the Celts, they did not exterminate them and confine the on the rez...
Embrace the Darkness, it needs a hug

PC stands for "Patronizing Cocksucker" Randy Ping

User avatar
Svartalf
Offensive Grail Keeper
Posts: 41041
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:42 pm
Location: Paris France
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Svartalf » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:30 pm

Rum wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:16 pm
Śiva wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:14 pm
What's so egregious about "assault rifles?"
They fucking kill people - and loads at a time.
that's what they were designed for, and that's why every American is entitled to have weaponry to defend themselves and serve as militia when needed.
Embrace the Darkness, it needs a hug

PC stands for "Patronizing Cocksucker" Randy Ping

User avatar
Svartalf
Offensive Grail Keeper
Posts: 41041
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:42 pm
Location: Paris France
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Svartalf » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:31 pm

Śiva wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:27 pm
Rum wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:12 pm
Sean Hayden wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:06 pm
Seriously Europe, do you guys even study your history? You've had wars longer than we've been a nation! What shall I make of you lot based on that? Nothing I suppose because you've put together a few decades of peace...not counting violence elsewhere...
I think you are being defensive. I wasn't suggesting that America was bad and the rest of us were angels. Europe has a long history of death and destruction as you say. But there is something in the founding myths and history of your country that seems to glorify it to some extent.

Just trying to add to the conversation about why you guys shoot each other in the tens of thousands ffs.
Do you suppose that if guns were to suddenly vanish by some deus ex machina, or whatever, from the United States that the violence would suddenly cease?
clubs, knives, bow and arrow...
Embrace the Darkness, it needs a hug

PC stands for "Patronizing Cocksucker" Randy Ping

User avatar
Jason
Destroyer of words
Posts: 17782
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:46 pm
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Jason » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:34 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:31 pm
Śiva wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:27 pm
Rum wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:12 pm
Sean Hayden wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:06 pm
Seriously Europe, do you guys even study your history? You've had wars longer than we've been a nation! What shall I make of you lot based on that? Nothing I suppose because you've put together a few decades of peace...not counting violence elsewhere...
I think you are being defensive. I wasn't suggesting that America was bad and the rest of us were angels. Europe has a long history of death and destruction as you say. But there is something in the founding myths and history of your country that seems to glorify it to some extent.

Just trying to add to the conversation about why you guys shoot each other in the tens of thousands ffs.
Do you suppose that if guns were to suddenly vanish by some deus ex machina, or whatever, from the United States that the violence would suddenly cease?
clubs, knives, bow and arrow...
So... you are willing to admit that guns are not the cause of the violence that kills so many?

User avatar
Svartalf
Offensive Grail Keeper
Posts: 41041
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:42 pm
Location: Paris France
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Svartalf » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:37 pm

Of course they are not the cause, they are the means... ease of procuring the means simply facilitates the violence happening.
Embrace the Darkness, it needs a hug

PC stands for "Patronizing Cocksucker" Randy Ping

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Rum » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:45 pm

Śiva wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:26 pm
Rum wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:16 pm
Śiva wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:14 pm
What's so egregious about "assault rifles?"
They fucking kill people - and loads at a time.
Not much more than a rifle from world war 2. I fail to see the critical distinction. Would you please expand?
No.

User avatar
laklak
Posts: 21022
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:07 pm
About me: My preferred pronoun is "Massah"
Location: Tannhauser Gate
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by laklak » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:51 pm

Well, they're "fully semi-automatic" for a start. Unlike WWII weaponry like the M1, oh, wait....
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

User avatar
Jason
Destroyer of words
Posts: 17782
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:46 pm
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Jason » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:51 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:37 pm
Of course they are not the cause, they are the means... ease of procuring the means simply facilitates the violence happening.
Then the proper path to ending the violence is not the confiscation of firearms, but the pursuit of the root cause of the violence. Yes?

User avatar
Svartalf
Offensive Grail Keeper
Posts: 41041
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:42 pm
Location: Paris France
Contact:

Re: bulletproof schoolbags

Post by Svartalf » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:51 pm

like inequality and the putting down of some population categories?
Embrace the Darkness, it needs a hug

PC stands for "Patronizing Cocksucker" Randy Ping

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests