Problematic Stuff

[laklak]

Legalized murder. Not as problematic as irascible feminists, I know, but still somewhat problematic.

It was big news here, happened just up in Clearwater. I watched the video multiple times. Yeah, the old dude was mouthing off, but the young guy clocked him pretty good. I'd have been scared, but then I wouldn't have got up in the woman's face in the first place over a handicapped parking spot. It looked like the young guy was still advancing when the old dude pulled his piece out, then he started backing off. It all happened pretty fast, though. DId the old dude realize the guy was retreating, or was he too scared and rattled to think clearly? Was he in fear for his life? The problem with the law as written is "in fear for your life" is difficult to quantify. There was no justification for the initial aggravated assault, he basically blindsided the old dude. This is why I don't go around mouthing off to other ground apes.

[Hermit]

What if the alt-right does successfully unite and actually gets organised while Trump continues to do a Hindenburg? Shall we wait until the 20th of July 1944, when the horse has truly bolted, a nation lies in ashes and fatal harm has come to 55 million individuals?

No.

0:54 - 1:15 "What I would do, Luke, if you let me finish, is talk to the man. Try to show him the error of his ways to the best of my ability. Challenge his ideas. Change thought. Provoke change by intelligent debate."

[Hermit]

Legalized murder. Not as problematic as irascible feminists, I know, but still somewhat problematic.

It was big news here, happened just up in Clearwater. I watched the video multiple times. Yeah, the old dude was mouthing off, but the young guy clocked him pretty good. I'd have been scared, but then I wouldn't have got up in the woman's face in the first place over a handicapped parking spot. It looked like the young guy was still advancing when the old dude pulled his piece out, then he started backing off. It all happened pretty fast, though. DId the old dude realize the guy was retreating, or was he too scared and rattled to think clearly? Was he in fear for his life? The problem with the law as written is "in fear for your life" is difficult to quantify. There was no justification for the initial aggravated assault, he basically blindsided the old dude. This is why I don't go around mouthing off to other ground apes.

"The old dude" is 47. Not exactly geriatric nor demented. He might have noticed that "the young guy" was backing off, and unarmed at the time "the old dude" shot at him. Not enough time? Well, "the old dude" was quick enough to unholster his gun, release the safety, aim accurately at the centre of body mass, and fire with lethal effect. Pretty good going for being "the old dude", don't you think? Body coordination and presence of mind were much unlike the "old dude" style.

[Animavore]

Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

[Forty Two]

Remember, Hermit, in 1909, Hitler was basically destitute in Vienna, living in homeless shelters, a 20 year old starving artist who hadn't committed a crime or advanced a political agenda. It's at that time he started painting, and making a meager living selling his work. If you'd kill him then, would you smother him in his crib, 19 years earlier? If not, why not?

The reality is that nobody has such foreknowledge, and that nobody really knows if person X would ever commit a crime. To take violent action against him now is based on the speculation that his viewpoints would come to fruition and result in Hitler-esque activities that one is stopping. I think far left ideology is oppressive and leads to violence as it did throughout the 20th century. However, my view on that is not justification for violent attacks on those who harbor far left viewpoints or express them. Christians think Satanists are dangerous people -- their view doesn't give them the right to physically attack Satanists. Some Muslims think that insulting their profit warrants violent attacks due to the danger to the faith.

The left and the center do not own virtue and righteousness, and they are not exempt from claims that their views can lead to violence and oppression. If the sword of violence to stave off future potential violence and oppression is available for left leaning folks against the far right, or not so far right, then that sword will also be available against the far left, and eventually not so far left. There is no rational way grant license to one side, but not the other -- other than to say that one side is "good" and the other "not" and hope that the good outpowers the not.

[pErvinalia]

Remember, Hermit, in 1909, Hitler was basically destitute in Vienna, living in homeless shelters, a 20 year old starving artist who hadn't committed a crime or advanced a political agenda. It's at that time he started painting, and making a meager living selling his work. If you'd kill him then, would you smother him in his crib, 19 years earlier? If not, why not?

The reality is that nobody has such foreknowledge, and that nobody really knows if person X would ever commit a crime. To take violent action against him now is based on the speculation that his viewpoints would come to fruition and result in Hitler-esque activities that one is stopping. I think far left ideology is oppressive and leads to violence as it did throughout the 20th century. However, my view on that is not justification for violent attacks on those who harbor far left viewpoints or express them. Christians think Satanists are dangerous people -- their view doesn't give them the right to physically attack Satanists. Some Muslims think that insulting their profit warrants violent attacks due to the danger to the faith.

What a disingenuous pile of bullshit. The alt-right aren't peaceful artists making a meagre living. They are threatening minorities and murdering people.

[Seabass]

I know I shouldn't concern myself with minor problems like this while SJWs are destroying the galaxy, but I guess I just can't help myself.

[pErvinalia]

The people putting them in there were just empathetic starving artists.

[Hermit]

The reality is that nobody has such foreknowledge, and that nobody really knows if person X would ever commit a crime.

Yeah, we can't possibly know what uniformly clad lads bearing torches and chanting "Jews will not replace us" are aiming at as they march down the street. We don't know what's in the mind of people giving the Hitler salute as they listen to someone giving a speech that pointedly uses the word "Lügenpresse", German for "fake news". We don't know what the proposals to persuade non-Caucasian citizens of the USA to voluntarily emigrate to Africa, or wherever else, will morph to. You're right. Instead of making it unmistakeably clear that they will be stopped by any means at all, what we should do, is talk to the them. Try to show them the error of their ways to the best of our ability. Challenge their ideas. Change thought. Provoke change by intelligent debate. They are bound to be as amenable to change through intelligent debate as the brownshirts of yore.

The left and the center do not own virtue and righteousness, and they are not exempt from claims that their views can lead to violence and oppression.

Oh. An echo of an earlier, shorter version: "There's good and bad on both sides." Here's news for you. It shouldn't be news because you've been told repeatedly, but I guess some people are just not much good at digesting intelligent debate, but here it is again: Belting the living daylights out of a white supremacist, racist, fascist fuck is not the same as driving a car into a bunch of people who disapprove of white supremacist, racist, fascist fucks. There is no equivalence of violence from fascists and violence from anti-fascists.

But yeah, you just keep supporting the leader of your country who keeps resolutely sitting on his hands, pretending to be neutral on the matter while constantly complaining about the Lügenpresse.

Man, your country is becoming a nightmare, and it is precisely because of people like you defending the right of those whose aim it is to abolish the rights of others to do exactly that instead of shutting them down, by rearranging their jawbones if that is what it takes.

[laklak]

Only 47, thought he was older from the video. No matter, my advice (which I follow myself, BTW) is not to physically assault random people in a state with over 2,000,000 concealed carry permits. Wouldn't be prudent.

[Seabass]

[Seabass]

Only 47, thought he was older from the video. No matter, my advice (which I follow myself, BTW) is not to physically assault random people in a state with over 2,000,000 concealed carry permits. Wouldn't be prudent.

Well, it wasn't exactly random. The shooter was harassing the shover's wife.

[Seabass]

Man, your country is becoming a nightmare, and it is precisely because of people like you defending the right of those whose aim it is to abolish the rights of others to do exactly that instead of shutting them down, by rearranging their jawbones if that is what it takes.

It's ok. To even things out, we turn a lot of other countries into nightmares.

[laklak]

Stranger, then. Still a very bad idea. Deadly, in this case.

[Seabass]

Of course the shove was a bad idea, but I don't think the man deserved to be executed for it.