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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:22 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
I am not joking. The shop was called "Thomas Green's"

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They had to have ENGLISH tomato sauce. Heinz has a factory here but they had to have ENGLISH Heinz. Pathetic. The same with tea and even coffee and cheese. A land of coffee and cheese nope they had to have ENGLISH.
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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Forty Two » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:28 pm

“immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella.” https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... hicken.pdf "European opposition to imports of chlorinated chicken has been spearheaded by Germany, where the products are subjected to ridicule, often based on an unscientific
apprehension
."

"Tellingly, the EU’s own scientists have sided with the US, in agreeing that PRTs are safe."
On the contrary, after decades of safe use in the US, the scientific evidence has
confirmed that PRTs are effective. US households eat their way through 156 million
chickens treated this way each week, the National Chicken Council reported,
in testimony before the Senate Committee on Finance in 2014.

The quantities of chlorite and chlorate, the byproducts from using chlorine dioxide
to disinfect poultry, are too low to realistically impact human health. According
to data from the European Commission
, a person would need to eat 5% of their
bodyweight in chlorinated poultry daily to consume their tolerable daily intake of
chlorate, or more than 23% to reach the same limit for chlorite.10,1112

The average adult woman would have to regularly eat more than two and a half
chlorinated chickens a day before suffering any noticeable health effects.13 The
typical man would have to eat nearly three whole birds each day. That is before
“the expected decreases in the levels of these [chlorite] residues after processing,
including cooking”, according to the European Commission.

Drinking water poses a far greater risk, contributing 99% of the disinfection byproducts
consumed in a typical daily diet, with chlorinated poultry making up just 0.3%
to 1% of total exposure.14
The British government limits the combined concentration of chlorite and chlorate
in water at 0.5mg per litre.15 At that upper bound, eating a whole chicken is roughly
equivalent to drinking a glass of water.

The volume of evidence in support of PRTs is so strong that they are deemed safe
not just by US regulators, but also by the EU’s own scientific advisors.

The European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has said that four types of chemical
rinse, including chlorine dioxide, “would be of no safety concern”
New Zealand Food Safety Authority research found “no safety
issues were identified due to the use of chlorine dioxide”, and that “the concentrations
of chlorine required to induce formation [of carcinogens] are well in excess of
those used in practice”.17

It is also well established that PRTs are effective in reducing the prevalence of
foodborne illnesses, such as salmonella and campylobacter infections.
Yet critics
of chlorine immersion highlight the inability of surface washing to disinfect the
interior of a chicken carcass, suggesting that poultry treated in this fashion is not
made safe.
If chlorination were so ineffective, then one would expect foodborne illnesses carried
by chicken to be much more prevalent in the US, and nearby countries, like
Canada, which also use PRTs to disinfect poultry. However, WHO figures reveal
that salmonella and campylobacter infections in North American countries are not
out of line with their European counterparts.18

Guidance published by the Codex Alimentarius Commission, the body which sets
international food standards, states that immersing carcasses in a chlorine dioxide
solution of the strength used in the US has been shown to reduce salmonella prevalence
from 14% in controls to 2%.
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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Forty Two » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:31 pm

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Standards don't matter to us British, so long as it is edible and won't kill you overnight. Only the southerners, who believe themselves half French, will be upset at American food here.
Well, the Brits hardly shower/bathe, and don't refrigerate their eggs. So, they've probably developed a strong resistance to salmonella and other pathogens. :leave:
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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:32 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:22 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
I am not joking. The shop was called "Thomas Green's"

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They had to have ENGLISH tomato sauce. Heinz has a factory here but they had to have ENGLISH Heinz. Pathetic. The same with tea and even coffee and cheese. A land of coffee and cheese nope they had to have ENGLISH.
They sound like an English version of you.. :bored:
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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Forty Two » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:34 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:22 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
I am not joking. The shop was called "Thomas Green's"

Image

They had to have ENGLISH tomato sauce. Heinz has a factory here but they had to have ENGLISH Heinz. Pathetic. The same with tea and even coffee and cheese. A land of coffee and cheese nope they had to have ENGLISH.
That would be like a Dutch shop outside of the Netherlands insisting on authentic imported Dutch products. How awful.

Heinz is American, by the way. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! :biggrin:
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Forty Two » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:37 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
Nothing close to the Jute or Pict mindset. And, nothing beats the Celt mindset. That Boudica could be a real cunt.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Rum » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:01 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
S D is incorrect about Amazon. I prefer paper books but I do occasionally buy ebooks (and have a kindle). I have pretty obscure tastes at times and have never had a problem finding a book on Amazon.

Additionally Amazon in total sell only slightly less in the Netherlands if you add Dutch and English publications together than the Duitch epublishers. I looked it up beause SD is always getting away with his everything is better here bullshit too often.

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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Deep Sea Isopod » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:27 pm

The risk regarding chlorinated chicken is not the issue, nor was the EU ban because of it. The EU ban is more out of precaution. The EU's caution is based on reliance of chlorine washing alone reduces hygiene standards elsewhere in production.
One factor to consider is that chlorine disguises the smell, thus the carcass could pass off as fresh meat for longer than it should.
Another factor is with profit margins being squeezed, farmers are less likely to be considerate of animal welfare. This would mean housing more birds into smaller areas, thus increasing the likelihood of disease spreading.
EU laws give a minimum size "cage", meaning better ventilation, and fewer birds crammed into one space.


Now, whether this is all bullshit or not, cheaper imports to the UK from the US (and the loss of EU subsidies) will force UK farmers to change their practice in order to compete. If they do this, and their practices do not meet the EU standards, these farmers will not be able to trade with the EU. How much of a loss to the UK would it be if they stop buying UK chickens?
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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:28 pm

Rum wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:01 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
S D is incorrect about Amazon. I prefer paper books but I do occasionally buy ebooks (and have a kindle). I have pretty obscure tastes at times and have never had a problem finding a book on Amazon.

Additionally Amazon in total sell only slightly less in the Netherlands if you add Dutch and English publications together than the Duitch epublishers. I looked it up beause SD is always getting away with his everything is better here bullshit too often.
It is your choice to get caught up in the Amazon web. Amazon is lousy on Dutch publications because of their one format policy. There are plenty of Dutch publishers offering books Amazon does not carry.
You like Amazon then stay with the spider. I dont and never will as I like to have a free choice. I also like to keep my books and decide myself when I will get rid of them.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:30 pm

All good points DCI :tup:
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Post by Rum » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:16 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:28 pm
Rum wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:01 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
S D is incorrect about Amazon. I prefer paper books but I do occasionally buy ebooks (and have a kindle). I have pretty obscure tastes at times and have never had a problem finding a book on Amazon.

Additionally Amazon in total sell only slightly less in the Netherlands if you add Dutch and English publications together than the Duitch epublishers. I looked it up beause SD is always getting away with his everything is better here bullshit too often.
It is your choice to get caught up in the Amazon web. Amazon is lousy on Dutch publications because of their one format policy. There are plenty of Dutch publishers offering books Amazon does not carry.
You like Amazon then stay with the spider. I dont and never will as I like to have a free choice. I also like to keep my books and decide myself when I will get rid of them.
As so often you change your argument as you go along. You said Amazon had limited choice because they sell stuff supermarkets sell. They do but they sell lots of other stuff too.

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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:32 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:32 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:22 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
I am not joking. The shop was called "Thomas Green's"

Image

They had to have ENGLISH tomato sauce. Heinz has a factory here but they had to have ENGLISH Heinz. Pathetic. The same with tea and even coffee and cheese. A land of coffee and cheese nope they had to have ENGLISH.
They sound like an English version of you.. :bored:
You wont find Dutch ex-pat stores.
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Re: UK-US Trade Deal Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:36 pm

Rum wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:16 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:28 pm
Rum wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:01 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:13 pm
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm
Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we".
Bloody Anglo-Saxon mindsets... :nono:
S D is incorrect about Amazon. I prefer paper books but I do occasionally buy ebooks (and have a kindle). I have pretty obscure tastes at times and have never had a problem finding a book on Amazon.

Additionally Amazon in total sell only slightly less in the Netherlands if you add Dutch and English publications together than the Duitch epublishers. I looked it up beause SD is always getting away with his everything is better here bullshit too often.
It is your choice to get caught up in the Amazon web. Amazon is lousy on Dutch publications because of their one format policy. There are plenty of Dutch publishers offering books Amazon does not carry.
You like Amazon then stay with the spider. I dont and never will as I like to have a free choice. I also like to keep my books and decide myself when I will get rid of them.
As so often you change your argument as you go along. You said Amazon had limited choice because they sell stuff supermarkets sell. They do but they sell lots of other stuff too.
????? Where?????
When? I have not got a clue what you are on about. This one format thing restricts access to other e-publishers. It also ties you into their web.
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Post by Rum » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:31 pm

Apologies. I misinterpreted the following: "Easily beaten here. Amazon is a favourite with ex-pats who cant think any further. The type that went to the English grocery store, which has now shut down (lack of customers) to buy English cornflakes; "cant eat the German ones can we"."

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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:38 pm

There was a British market here too. But it closed before I ever got a chance to go in. :sigh:

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