Problematic Stuff

[pErvinalia]

Still quotes and a waste of space as always.

I think you need to put him on ignore. That way it won't take up space, and won't inch you ever closer to another stroke.

[pErvinalia]

It disgusts me. I can't even watch TV news any longer, because it makes Pravda look like a bastion of responsible journalism. I watch bits and pieces of the local news out of Tampa and Sarasota, flipping back and forth whenever a national news item comes up. If it's a national story then it's slanted, full stop. Fucking propaganda. I just want to know what's happening around the area and see the fucking weather. Print and internet is no better. You have to look at 50 different sites from all political persuasions, mix it all together and attempt to distill a drop or two of truth out of it. The vast majority of the population just laps it the fuck up, because they're ignorant morons.

It's interesting how often when you meet a person who was actually featured in a news story, or was a contributor to an investigatory documentary, that they say they were either misquoted or were taken out of context to some degree. Even when there doesn't appear to be any sort of political agenda being pushed. It doesn't fill you with confidence about the media.

[laklak]

Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you read.

[Forty Two]

It disgusts me. I can't even watch TV news any longer, because it makes Pravda look like a bastion of responsible journalism. I watch bits and pieces of the local news out of Tampa and Sarasota, flipping back and forth whenever a national news item comes up. If it's a national story then it's slanted, full stop. Fucking propaganda. I just want to know what's happening around the area and see the fucking weather. Print and internet is no better. You have to look at 50 different sites from all political persuasions, mix it all together and attempt to distill a drop or two of truth out of it. The vast majority of the population just laps it the fuck up, because they're ignorant morons.

It's interesting how often when you meet a person who was actually featured in a news story, or was a contributor to an investigatory documentary, that they say they were either misquoted or were taken out of context to some degree. Even when there doesn't appear to be any sort of political agenda being pushed. It doesn't fill you with confidence about the media.

Journalists in general are not particularly bright or educated. As issues become more complex, you can trust their accuracy less, not because of nefarious intent on their part, but because they just get things wrong. And, on issues where they are biased, they will often not even recognize their bias. IMO.

[Brian Peacock]

Still quotes and a waste of space as always.

I think you need to put him on ignore. That way it won't take up space, and won't inch you ever closer to another stroke.

The last thing we want is you throwing a clot. Need to find your happy place mate

[pErvinalia]

It disgusts me. I can't even watch TV news any longer, because it makes Pravda look like a bastion of responsible journalism. I watch bits and pieces of the local news out of Tampa and Sarasota, flipping back and forth whenever a national news item comes up. If it's a national story then it's slanted, full stop. Fucking propaganda. I just want to know what's happening around the area and see the fucking weather. Print and internet is no better. You have to look at 50 different sites from all political persuasions, mix it all together and attempt to distill a drop or two of truth out of it. The vast majority of the population just laps it the fuck up, because they're ignorant morons.

It's interesting how often when you meet a person who was actually featured in a news story, or was a contributor to an investigatory documentary, that they say they were either misquoted or were taken out of context to some degree. Even when there doesn't appear to be any sort of political agenda being pushed. It doesn't fill you with confidence about the media.

Journalists in general are not particularly bright or educated.

Yeah this is true. There definitely are some very intelligent journalists, and you do hear/see/read them. But they are definitely a minority, I reckon.

[Brian Peacock]

Journalists usually don't get the space required to explain things in great detail, and they have to account for the fact that the majority of their readers are not experts embedded in the minutia of an issue or topic.

[pErvinalia]

This is true too. Putting aside the space issue (and funding/resources is an issue too), I don't accept that dumbing down articles is an excuse to get stuff wrong through misrepresentation or misquoting. There's no excuse really for those two things.

[Seabass]

A career in journalism usually requires a college degree. I'd say that puts them ahead of the average person in terms of education. I'd also say that on average, they're probably a fuck of a lot better educated than your average Trump worshipper.

[pErvinalia]

Arguably the media wears a large chunk of the responsibility for Trump. A weak as piss media, by not adequately confronting the default neoliberalism narrative over the last 40 years, has allowed bullshit concepts like "trickle down", regulation slashing, and "small government", to become essentially entrenched principles in governance. And by further peddling the fear that right wing politicians push about brown people stealing jobs and welfare at the same time, and also wanting to marry your children and blow up your friends. The media is responsible in part for this state of affairs which is an indebted, fearful, insecure worker voting for a dangerous moron like Trump.

[Joe]

Well, look at how many journo's have been laid off in the last decade. Why should they give a fuck or bust their asses to do good work? Internet advertising has cut into their market so much they can't afford to have people reporting from foreign capitals, or do investigative reporting, two things that keep their readers informed. Their product has gone to shit as a result.

The people left are overworked, underpaid, and have to suffer the loss of professional prestige that comes of being lumped in with the clowns at Breitbart, Daily Caller, and the Huffington Post. Consider that Seth's a journalist. Need I say more?

It's amazing that any of them still do good work.

[pErvinalia]

Yep, good points. And Trump blasting any media he doesn't like as #FAKENEWS doesn't help the state of affairs either.

[Forty Two]

Objectivity, rationality, scientific, valid, reliable, etc. are all problematic white, male concepts. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mo ... 5670e56963

There is no such thing as objectivity. It's just another subjective perspective. And it's just a way to say that the white, male perspective is the right one. “Objectivity,” for example, frames a white male subjectivity as the norm (thus “objective”), rendering racialized (non-white) and genderized (non-male) subjectivity as the “other,” as lacking credibility.

Explore the history of which research paradigms count, and you confront the bias in favor of quantitative (experimental and quasi-experimental) research (paradigms created by and maintained by men) over qualitative research (paradigms championed by women and racial minorities) ― the former is “hard,” “scientific,” and “objective” while the latter is “soft,” “personal,” and “(merely) anecdotal.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mo ... 5670e56963

So, the theory here is that "quantitative research" is something white men do, and "qualitative research" is something non-whites and women do. Qualitative research is a paradigm championed by women.

Anecdotes are just as "valid" as statistical evidence, under this theory, because the focus on objective data is white male, and anecdotal evidence is female and non-white.

A course being offered next year at Hobart and William Smith Colleges will explore how concepts like "meritocracy" and "objectivity" are just "white mythologies."
According to the course description, such "social constructions" serve to "position 'the West' and 'whiteness' as the ideal" by fostering "implicit views about the place of White, male, Euro-American subjects as the norm."

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10993

[Animavore]

There are people who think Tommy Robinson is a journalist too. I don't think many people understand what journalism is supposed to entail any more. They seem to think it involves telling them what they want to hear. Trump is a victim of this ignorance, I believe, as much as some try give a thick cunt like him the credit of understanding full well his audience's failure in this department and exploiting those unprotected and gullible.

[Svartalf]

I don't think trump is a victim, his ignorance is of the wilful sort, not of the unfortunate one, it's just that his character and ego only tolerate yes men and sycophants.