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America in 2018

Post by Tero » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:55 pm

Post shit about America. You can focus on the trump supporters etc but if the item is closer to Trump shit, then post it in the Trump shit topics.

http://time.com/5280446/baby-boomer-gen ... brill/?utm
The result is a new, divided America. On one side are the protected few – the winners – who don’t need government for much and even have a stake in sabotaging the government’s responsibility to all of its citizens. For them, the new, broken America works fine, at least in the short term. An understaffed IRS is a plus for people most likely to be the target of audits. Underfunded customer service at the Social Security Administration is irrelevant to those not living week to week, waiting for their checks. Except for the most civic-minded among them, corporate executives are not likely to worry that their government doesn’t produce a comprehensive budget. They don’t worry about the straitjacket their government faces in recruiting and rewarding talent or in training or dismissing the untalented because of a broken civil-service system. Civil service is another great American reform that in the last 50 years has become a great American moat, protecting incompetent or corrupt workers, like those who supervised the Veterans Affairs hospitals where patient waiting lists were found to have been falsified.

On the other side are the unprotected many. They may be independent and hardworking, but they look to their government to preserve their way of life and maybe even improve it. The unprotected need the government to provide good public schools so that their children have a chance to advance. They need a level competitive playing field for their small businesses, a fair shake in consumer disputes and a realistic shot at justice in the courts. They need the government to provide a safety net to ensure that their families have access to good health care, that no one goes hungry when shifts in the economy or temporary setbacks take away their jobs and that they get help to rebuild after a hurricane or other disaster. They need the government to ensure a safe workplace and a living minimum wage. They need mass-transit systems that work and call centers at Social Security offices that don’t produce busy signals. They need the government to keep the political system fair and protect it from domination by those who can give politicians the most money. They need the government to provide fair labor laws and to promote an economy and a tax code that tempers the extremes of income inequality and makes economic opportunity more than an empty cliché.

The protected need few of these common goods. They don’t have to worry about underperforming public schools, dilapidated mass-transit systems or jammed Social Security hotlines. They have accountants and lawyers who can negotiate their employment contracts or deal with consumer disputes, assuming they want to bother. They see labor or consumer-protection laws, and fair tax codes, as threats to their winnings–which they have spent the last 50 years consolidating by eroding these common goods and the government that would provide them.

That, rather than a split between Democrats and Republicans, is the real polarization that has broken America since the 1960s. It’s the protected vs. the unprotected, the common good vs. maximizing and protecting the elite winners’ winnings.

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Re: America in 2018

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Re: America in 2018

Post by Svartalf » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:15 pm

you seem in a particularly pestiferous mood today pErv, what's wrong?
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Re: America in 2018

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:42 pm

I'm a bit stressed after having a mate over here for the weekend. Other than that, I'm all good.
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Re: America in 2018

Post by laklak » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:34 pm

Have a beer. Or several. I find that works for me.
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Re: America in 2018

Post by Svartalf » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:50 pm

Yeah, I just had a pint and I'm somewhat mellower already
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Re: America in 2018

Post by Tero » Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:03 pm

I think a lot of people just are not interested in politics. They get some training, first permanent job. Coast safely from age 30-45 and beyond. Some lose support at age 45 and no longer rely on Giant Corporation for all their needs. Then they move from ”independent” to their humble Democratic roots. If lawyers, they stay Democrat or Republican their entire career, depending on who pays them. Many doctors are businessmen, they stay Republican. They don’t need no fucking Obamacare patients. They have plenty.

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Re: America in 2018

Post by Joe » Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:04 pm

Tero wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:55 pm
Post shit about America. You can focus on the trump supporters etc but if the item is closer to Trump shit, then post it in the Trump shit topics.

http://time.com/5280446/baby-boomer-gen ... brill/?utm
The result is a new, divided America. On one side are the protected few – the winners – who don’t need government for much and even have a stake in sabotaging the government’s responsibility to all of its citizens. For them, the new, broken America works fine, at least in the short term. An understaffed IRS is a plus for people most likely to be the target of audits. Underfunded customer service at the Social Security Administration is irrelevant to those not living week to week, waiting for their checks. Except for the most civic-minded among them, corporate executives are not likely to worry that their government doesn’t produce a comprehensive budget. They don’t worry about the straitjacket their government faces in recruiting and rewarding talent or in training or dismissing the untalented because of a broken civil-service system. Civil service is another great American reform that in the last 50 years has become a great American moat, protecting incompetent or corrupt workers, like those who supervised the Veterans Affairs hospitals where patient waiting lists were found to have been falsified.

On the other side are the unprotected many. They may be independent and hardworking, but they look to their government to preserve their way of life and maybe even improve it. The unprotected need the government to provide good public schools so that their children have a chance to advance. They need a level competitive playing field for their small businesses, a fair shake in consumer disputes and a realistic shot at justice in the courts. They need the government to provide a safety net to ensure that their families have access to good health care, that no one goes hungry when shifts in the economy or temporary setbacks take away their jobs and that they get help to rebuild after a hurricane or other disaster. They need the government to ensure a safe workplace and a living minimum wage. They need mass-transit systems that work and call centers at Social Security offices that don’t produce busy signals. They need the government to keep the political system fair and protect it from domination by those who can give politicians the most money. They need the government to provide fair labor laws and to promote an economy and a tax code that tempers the extremes of income inequality and makes economic opportunity more than an empty cliché.

The protected need few of these common goods. They don’t have to worry about underperforming public schools, dilapidated mass-transit systems or jammed Social Security hotlines. They have accountants and lawyers who can negotiate their employment contracts or deal with consumer disputes, assuming they want to bother. They see labor or consumer-protection laws, and fair tax codes, as threats to their winnings–which they have spent the last 50 years consolidating by eroding these common goods and the government that would provide them.

That, rather than a split between Democrats and Republicans, is the real polarization that has broken America since the 1960s. It’s the protected vs. the unprotected, the common good vs. maximizing and protecting the elite winners’ winnings.
This echo's Charles Murray's 2016 book, Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010, in some respects.

If you're willing to spend some time, this video also gives a really good look at how things have changed for ordinary Americans. I first watched this lecture 10 years ago and come back to it periodically. It's still relevant today, though it's about an hour long. You can skip the intro by jumping to 4:40.

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Re: America in 2018

Post by Tero » Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:19 pm

OK, will do.

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Re: America in 2018

Post by cronus » Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:25 pm

What will the world be like after its ruler is removed?

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Re: America in 2018

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:32 pm

laklak wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:34 pm
Have a beer. Or several. I find that works for me.
I had a beer. Then an Oxy. Then an Olanzapine. :{D
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Re: America in 2018

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:35 pm

Joe wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:04 pm
Tero wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:55 pm
Post shit about America. You can focus on the trump supporters etc but if the item is closer to Trump shit, then post it in the Trump shit topics.

http://time.com/5280446/baby-boomer-gen ... brill/?utm
The result is a new, divided America. On one side are the protected few – the winners – who don’t need government for much and even have a stake in sabotaging the government’s responsibility to all of its citizens. For them, the new, broken America works fine, at least in the short term. An understaffed IRS is a plus for people most likely to be the target of audits. Underfunded customer service at the Social Security Administration is irrelevant to those not living week to week, waiting for their checks. Except for the most civic-minded among them, corporate executives are not likely to worry that their government doesn’t produce a comprehensive budget. They don’t worry about the straitjacket their government faces in recruiting and rewarding talent or in training or dismissing the untalented because of a broken civil-service system. Civil service is another great American reform that in the last 50 years has become a great American moat, protecting incompetent or corrupt workers, like those who supervised the Veterans Affairs hospitals where patient waiting lists were found to have been falsified.

On the other side are the unprotected many. They may be independent and hardworking, but they look to their government to preserve their way of life and maybe even improve it. The unprotected need the government to provide good public schools so that their children have a chance to advance. They need a level competitive playing field for their small businesses, a fair shake in consumer disputes and a realistic shot at justice in the courts. They need the government to provide a safety net to ensure that their families have access to good health care, that no one goes hungry when shifts in the economy or temporary setbacks take away their jobs and that they get help to rebuild after a hurricane or other disaster. They need the government to ensure a safe workplace and a living minimum wage. They need mass-transit systems that work and call centers at Social Security offices that don’t produce busy signals. They need the government to keep the political system fair and protect it from domination by those who can give politicians the most money. They need the government to provide fair labor laws and to promote an economy and a tax code that tempers the extremes of income inequality and makes economic opportunity more than an empty cliché.

The protected need few of these common goods. They don’t have to worry about underperforming public schools, dilapidated mass-transit systems or jammed Social Security hotlines. They have accountants and lawyers who can negotiate their employment contracts or deal with consumer disputes, assuming they want to bother. They see labor or consumer-protection laws, and fair tax codes, as threats to their winnings–which they have spent the last 50 years consolidating by eroding these common goods and the government that would provide them.

That, rather than a split between Democrats and Republicans, is the real polarization that has broken America since the 1960s. It’s the protected vs. the unprotected, the common good vs. maximizing and protecting the elite winners’ winnings.
This echo's Charles Murray's 2016 book, Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010, in some respects.

If you're willing to spend some time, this video also gives a really good look at how things have changed for ordinary Americans. I first watched this lecture 10 years ago and come back to it periodically. It's still relevant today, though it's about an hour long. You can skip the intro by jumping to 4:40.

Yebbut, Pocahontas. [/42]
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Re: America in 2018

Post by Joe » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:03 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:35 pm
Joe wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:04 pm
Tero wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:55 pm
Post shit about America. You can focus on the trump supporters etc but if the item is closer to Trump shit, then post it in the Trump shit topics.

http://time.com/5280446/baby-boomer-gen ... brill/?utm
The result is a new, divided America. On one side are the protected few – the winners – who don’t need government for much and even have a stake in sabotaging the government’s responsibility to all of its citizens. For them, the new, broken America works fine, at least in the short term. An understaffed IRS is a plus for people most likely to be the target of audits. Underfunded customer service at the Social Security Administration is irrelevant to those not living week to week, waiting for their checks. Except for the most civic-minded among them, corporate executives are not likely to worry that their government doesn’t produce a comprehensive budget. They don’t worry about the straitjacket their government faces in recruiting and rewarding talent or in training or dismissing the untalented because of a broken civil-service system. Civil service is another great American reform that in the last 50 years has become a great American moat, protecting incompetent or corrupt workers, like those who supervised the Veterans Affairs hospitals where patient waiting lists were found to have been falsified.

On the other side are the unprotected many. They may be independent and hardworking, but they look to their government to preserve their way of life and maybe even improve it. The unprotected need the government to provide good public schools so that their children have a chance to advance. They need a level competitive playing field for their small businesses, a fair shake in consumer disputes and a realistic shot at justice in the courts. They need the government to provide a safety net to ensure that their families have access to good health care, that no one goes hungry when shifts in the economy or temporary setbacks take away their jobs and that they get help to rebuild after a hurricane or other disaster. They need the government to ensure a safe workplace and a living minimum wage. They need mass-transit systems that work and call centers at Social Security offices that don’t produce busy signals. They need the government to keep the political system fair and protect it from domination by those who can give politicians the most money. They need the government to provide fair labor laws and to promote an economy and a tax code that tempers the extremes of income inequality and makes economic opportunity more than an empty cliché.

The protected need few of these common goods. They don’t have to worry about underperforming public schools, dilapidated mass-transit systems or jammed Social Security hotlines. They have accountants and lawyers who can negotiate their employment contracts or deal with consumer disputes, assuming they want to bother. They see labor or consumer-protection laws, and fair tax codes, as threats to their winnings–which they have spent the last 50 years consolidating by eroding these common goods and the government that would provide them.

That, rather than a split between Democrats and Republicans, is the real polarization that has broken America since the 1960s. It’s the protected vs. the unprotected, the common good vs. maximizing and protecting the elite winners’ winnings.
This echo's Charles Murray's 2016 book, Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010, in some respects.

If you're willing to spend some time, this video also gives a really good look at how things have changed for ordinary Americans. I first watched this lecture 10 years ago and come back to it periodically. It's still relevant today, though it's about an hour long. You can skip the intro by jumping to 4:40.

Yebbut, Pocahontas. [/42]
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Re: America in 2018

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