Rum wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:22 pm
I'm not doing a wall of text back and forth, but the gist of what you say comes over as they care but they should't and if they cared a bit less they wouldn't be as angry and react in such an over the top manner.
Well, to summarize part of my wall of text, they care, but they shouldn't because the reason they care is based on their hatred of Jews and their objection to the existence of Israel as a Jewish, rather than a Muslim, state. If they cared because they had some other reason for caring, I think it might be more persuasive.
Rum wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:22 pm
The simple fact is that Palestinians take the view - the majority I think it is fair to assume - that Israel is occupying their home land. Whatever the rights and wrongs or the history (which I am more than well versed in). How else do you expect them to react? How would you react I wonder if the Native Americans moved back in and claimed their 'home land' back, with the backing of some super power or other?
Yes, Israel, meaning Jews, are occupying their homeland. That would be a lot like Americans claiming Mexican immigrants are "occupying their homeland."
Your analogy between Native Americans moving back in and claiming a homeland is not an applicable analogy. An analogy would be as follows: World War 3 erupts, and the United States is among the defeated nations. Mexico and Canada occupy the United States, with the southern half being the "Mexican Mandate for the US" and the northern half being the "Canadian Mandate for the US." Starting in about 2020, the Canadians divide up the carass of the dead US into several separate, more or less arbitrarily delineated, countries, and the Mexicans do the same. South Dakota proves to be a sticking point, though, and it's the last one to be partitioned into separate countries. Since the two factions there don't want to live together, and they both want their religion to be the official religion of the country, the UN approves dividing South Dakota into two halves, and that's the end of it. One party, however, opts not ot accept that partition, and the other does. The result is that the non-accepting party still lives there, but the land is not part of the other half, or any other newly formed nation. It's stateless now. The non-accepting party starts warring against the accepting party, demanding its complete eradication, based a racial and religious hatred.
There is an easy solution to the West Bank problem, though, actually. The people in the West Bank should vote to join with Israel or Jordan, one or the other. They are not in a place that makes a viable nation, and it never has been a separate nation. The WestBankians are Arabs, ethnically. From 1920 to like the late 1950s, they were considered part of "Transjordan" (Jordan's prior name). They should join Jordan and live in peace alongside Israel.
As pissed off as they may be, they are not going to take over Israel and make it the Islamic Republic of Israelstine. It's not going to happen. They have two choices, (a) a separate and independent state on the dried up dirt they live on now, or (b) join either Israel or Jordan as a province of those countries. There is no other solution. Everybody know it, but nobody wants to say it. And, they aren't getting the borders back to 1948 partition. That's long gone. 1948 is like three wars ago, and multiple intifadas, etc. They can get what they have now, and the future of their continued resistance is just more misery. If they chose either of the options (a) or (b) and stopped with the terrorism and rocket launches and bombs of women and children in cafes, they could make a better life for themselves and their children.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar