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I did answer the question - if someone "has" a white supremacist agenda, then they I would strongly suspect they are a white supremacist. I still don't know what you mean by "affiliated with an agenda..." -- you described what it isn't (member of, or self-described), but you did not explain what you mean by affiliated with an agenda. So, all I can say is that if someone is "affiliated with white supremacists or white supremacist agenda" in the sense of "officially attached or connected," then I would strongly suspect the person is a white supremacist.
Now, if you would be so kind as to answer my question as to what that has to do with the lady who called the cops during the school tour....?
Now, if you would be so kind as to answer my question as to what that has to do with the lady who called the cops during the school tour....?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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I think it's rather disingenuous to pretend you are unable to parse "someone who affiliates with a white supremacist agenda" as being someone who aligns with, endorses, or is associated with white supremacy and its ideals - whether 'officially' or 'explicitly' by membership or otherwise. The question, which you have not responded to, is this; do you think white supremacy is or isn't (and by extension, white supremacists are or are not) racist?
The original question was no more ambiguous...
The original question was no more ambiguous...
If you first impulse is to suggest you don't know what I mean by 'white supremacy' or 'white supremacists' then please use Google to find out for yourself what 'white supremacists' stand for.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:36 pmDo you think someone who affiliates with a white supremacist agenda is or isn't a racist?
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I am able to parse it, but it's better if you just tell me that that's what you mean. So, now that you said so explicitly, yes, if someone aligns themselves with, endorces or is associated with white supremacy and its ideas, whether officially or explicitly by membership or otherwise, they sure as shit seem to be white supremacist.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:15 pmI think it's rather disingenuous to pretend you are unable to parse "someone who affiliates with a white supremacist agenda" as being someone who aligns with, endorses, or is associated with white supremacy and its ideals - whether 'officially' or 'explicitly' by membership or otherwise.
I don't recall you asking that. But, the answer is "yes" I would say that white supremacy and white supremacists are both racist, pretty much by definition, I think. Anyone who thinks a racial group is superior is a racist.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:15 pmThe question, which you have not responded to, is this; do you think white supremacy is or isn't (and by extension, white supremacists are or are not) racist?
That's far more ambiguous, because "affilate" admits to a broader meaning and a variety of connotations. That's why when people refer to someone "affiliated" with the Trump administration, we have no real idea whether that person is in the administration or otherwise just associated with it, and we really don't know if they adhere to the Administrations goals and ideals either. Affiliate is a mushier term.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:15 pm
The original question was no more ambiguous...
Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:36 pmDo you think someone who affiliates with a white supremacist agenda is or isn't a racist?
I didn't say that at all.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:15 pm
If you first impulse is to suggest you don't know what I mean by 'white supremacy' or 'white supremacists' then please use Google to find out for yourself what 'white supremacists' stand for.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Now will you answer my question, too?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Sure, I'll answer question, but I'll first note that you haven't answered the question, all you've done is invoke the tautology that if someone is a white supremacist then they are definitely a white supremacist. I'm asking if you think white supremacy is (and therefore white supremacist are) racist? The point being that you seem to want to cast doubt on the legitimacy of CSU to officially not tolerate a white supremacist and/or racist agenda.
Anyway, your question...
Anyway, your question...
I don't know - your guess is as good as mine. The statement from CSU's President is clearly an affirmation that as far as the institution is concerned racism and hate mongery will not be tolerated.Forty Two wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:05 pm...
I'm not sure what's in the mind of the lady who called. Sounds like a freak to me. Is she racist? I don't know. The CSU president there was certainly implying that it was racist, and that his privilege "as a white man" may blind him to things, etc., and that we are in a battle of hate -- "The hate that is in the hearts of white supremacists as they attempt to frighten and isolate people across this country is not ignorance. It’s a malignant choice." Is he saying that the lady who made the phone call to police is a white supremacist who was attempting to frighten and isolate people as a "malignant" choice?
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If you read my last post, I said yes. White supremacy and white supremacists are, by definition, racist.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:11 pmSure, I'll answer question, but I'll first note that you haven't answered the question, all you've done is invoke the tautology that if someone is a white supremacist then they are definitely a white supremacist. I'm asking if you think white supremacy is (and therefore white supremacist are) racist?
Not at all - the CSU president's statement is only partially quoted in the post above. If you click on the link, you'll see it's in response to an incident where a woman called 911 because she said two people who joined her college tour looked creepy and odd and made her feel uncomfortable, etc. What does that incident have to do with white supremacist and/or racist agendas? The lady either (a) could have really been creeped out, regardless of the race of the people involved, or (b) she's a racist, but not a white supremacist involved in any sort of "agenda" (some people are just racist.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:11 pmThe point being that you seem to want to cast doubt on the legitimacy of CSU to officially not tolerate a white supremacist and/or racist agenda.
I have no problem with the university president coming out agaisnt racists and white supremacists. The only thing I mentioned which set off this exchange was that very often things included in those terms are not exactly those things. Like when people call Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson "Nazis," or Christina Hoff-Sommers a white supremacist.
Yes, but since we don't even know if the lady acted out of racial animus (as far as I can find), then what does it have to do with white supremacy? But, at bottom, sure, the institution can "not tolerate" racism and hate mongery, except to the extent that it is a state institution and cannot generally restrict freedom of expression in public places. So, "It's OK to be white" and "black power" t-shirts are pretty much not going to be something the administration can censor.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:11 pm
Anyway, your question...
I don't know - your guess is as good as mine. The statement from CSU's President is clearly an affirmation that as far as the institution is concerned racism and hate mongery will not be tolerated.Forty Two wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:05 pm...
I'm not sure what's in the mind of the lady who called. Sounds like a freak to me. Is she racist? I don't know. The CSU president there was certainly implying that it was racist, and that his privilege "as a white man" may blind him to things, etc., and that we are in a battle of hate -- "The hate that is in the hearts of white supremacists as they attempt to frighten and isolate people across this country is not ignorance. It’s a malignant choice." Is he saying that the lady who made the phone call to police is a white supremacist who was attempting to frighten and isolate people as a "malignant" choice?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Dressing up in sexy Pope outfits, rosary beads as necklaces on the plunging necklines of Victoria Secret models.... costumed people bearing crosses.... angels in sex outfits....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... theme.html
And, https://catholicvote.org/cultural-appro ... c-metgala/
Apparently, the Met Gala outraged a lot of devout Christians, who felt distraught, emotionally hurt, outraged and very much offended. Progressives everywhere denounced the cultural opproriation at the Met Gala, and the purposeful mockery of and offense toward a particular religious group.
....now imagine if that wasn't satire! LOL
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... theme.html
And, https://catholicvote.org/cultural-appro ... c-metgala/
Apparently, the Met Gala outraged a lot of devout Christians, who felt distraught, emotionally hurt, outraged and very much offended. Progressives everywhere denounced the cultural opproriation at the Met Gala, and the purposeful mockery of and offense toward a particular religious group.
http://babylonbee.com/news/confirmed-ne ... ock-islam/NEW YORK CITY, NY—Representatives for the Metropolitan Museum of Art confirmed Tuesday that after its annual gala’s theme successfully skewered Catholicism and Christianity this year, it would continue its edgy commentary on religion by asking attendees to wear sacrilegious outfits making a mockery of Islam next year.
Gala organizers wanted to ensure they were offending all religions equally, and not unfairly targeting Christian beliefs.
“Our theme for 2019 will be ‘Islamic Imagination,’ and we will encourage celebrities to dress up like the prophet Muhammad or one of his concubines,” a representative for the Met said in an interview Tuesday. “Mocking religion is uncharted territory for cultural influencers such as ourselves. And we’re going to continue our edgy take by absolutely slamming Islam next year.”
“It’s gonna be lit,” she added.
....now imagine if that wasn't satire! LOL
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Did anyone post the article about the "cultural appropriation" of China by some 17 year old at her formal? This "cultural appropriation" shit is getting ridiculous. It's a fucking positive thing when other cultures recognise the beauty in another culture. I wish A+ was still around so that I could go and give them a spray.
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I do miss A+. You could always count on them for a laff.
Actual Chinese people were commenting (like from China Chinese people) and they were overwhelmingly positive. It was only SJW dipshits in the States that got their knickers is a twist.
Actual Chinese people were commenting (like from China Chinese people) and they were overwhelmingly positive. It was only SJW dipshits in the States that got their knickers is a twist.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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I haven't seen that article, can anybody give me cliff notes about it and the reactions to it?
I thought the Chinese were getting culturally appropriated by everybody, like the Japaneee , or us getting black powder, silk and tea from them... and that they were rather obdurate in their cultural ethnocentrism when it came to their adopting anything from abroad...
I thought the Chinese were getting culturally appropriated by everybody, like the Japaneee , or us getting black powder, silk and tea from them... and that they were rather obdurate in their cultural ethnocentrism when it came to their adopting anything from abroad...
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Cultural appropriation is only supposed to apply to colonialists taking something from a minority culture and using it in a mockery of its original form. Like using a symbol which may have a deep religious or spiritual meaning to a group because you think it's cool. Or when white folks did Minstral shows as a mockery of black people. Often this is coupled with the colonial power making money; therefore doing the minority group out of money (some argue it's like robbing intellectual property)
There are some people now who think that eating foods from other cultures equals appropriation. And not even just SJWs; there's now a situation where Alt Right types are encouraging people not to appropriate by eating food from other cultures. Not because they suddenly care about the feeling of other, disadvantaged groups, of course, but to help deprive non-whites of business. In other words the counter culture is trying to use the prevailing culture's bullshit against itself.
There are some people now who think that eating foods from other cultures equals appropriation. And not even just SJWs; there's now a situation where Alt Right types are encouraging people not to appropriate by eating food from other cultures. Not because they suddenly care about the feeling of other, disadvantaged groups, of course, but to help deprive non-whites of business. In other words the counter culture is trying to use the prevailing culture's bullshit against itself.
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That's ironic, being as the swastika was a culturally appropriate symbol. 

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it's not cultural appropriation, we are all Hindo-Europeans, so Germans using a Hindu symbol is perfectly apropriate...
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Here is the girl's dress...

Listen to Cathy Areu bleat on about how this girl is guilty of wrongful cultural appropriation. That's not an out of the mainstream left view.... they really believe this shit. "What she did was exploitation of a culture..."
Apparently a Chinese businessman gets to wear a tie because they know what a tie is. But, this girl, says Cathy Areu, did not know what the dress meant. No evidence at all presented that the girl did not know what it meant, and no explantion for how it would cease being cultural appropriation if the girl did know what it meant.
It's just endless incoherent blather from these fuckwits.

Listen to Cathy Areu bleat on about how this girl is guilty of wrongful cultural appropriation. That's not an out of the mainstream left view.... they really believe this shit. "What she did was exploitation of a culture..."
Apparently a Chinese businessman gets to wear a tie because they know what a tie is. But, this girl, says Cathy Areu, did not know what the dress meant. No evidence at all presented that the girl did not know what it meant, and no explantion for how it would cease being cultural appropriation if the girl did know what it meant.
It's just endless incoherent blather from these fuckwits.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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