UK Tory/gummint dramaz!

[pErvinalia]

Actually I did read the rest and it's the usual argument from ignorance and argument from incredulity. You make endless claims about stuff you know absolutely nothing about and which you refuse endlessly to back up with anything. Learn how to argue properly. You're on a rationalist site, ffs.

[Brian Peacock]

You may be able to hide your identity, your name and location, from the data-mining corporates, but they don't care - they still build a profile on you and know you through your online activity (and via the activity of those you interact with), and sell that on, whether you're on TOR or not. If you turned off your ad blocker for a day you'd soon notice. A right to online privacy is a nice idea, but that horse has bolted. The only thing I use a VPN for now is watching YouTubes and Netflix that aren't available in my region.

[Hermit]

The only thing I use a VPN for now is watching YouTubes and Netflix that aren't available in my region.

Haha, same here.

[Scot Dutchy]

Yep for the rest they are useless. Perv still heading for that high powered chief programmer's position by FB?

They gather all the data they want soon as you click on.

[Scot Dutchy]

I'm not reading past this point. You're off your fucking rocker. It's like trying to debate with Seth.

It is very hard to have a discussion with anyone who is paranoid and argues with himself.

I still dont have an answer to what is the downside of registering your address at the local town hall. Some vague reference to someone of 70 years ago is all up to now. I have mentioned a few of the upsides which makes life easier.

How do you pay local taxes like property tax? Dont you have to register your address to pay that or dont you pay them?

[pErvinalia]

You may be able to hide your identity, your name and location, from the data-mining corporates, but they don't care - they still build a profile on you and know you through your online activity (and via the activity of those you interact with), and sell that on, whether you're on TOR or not. If you turned off your ad blocker for a day you'd soon notice. A right to online privacy is a nice idea, but that horse has bolted. The only thing I use a VPN for now is watching YouTubes and Netflix that aren't available in my region.

I don't really care that they know the bare minimum about me from my limited facebook posts. Where they get the real data is by tracking you across the web. That's the goldmine. I've been blocking that tracking for all but probably the first year or so on facebook.

[pErvinalia]

I'm not reading past this point. You're off your fucking rocker. It's like trying to debate with Seth.

It is very hard to have a discussion with anyone who is paranoid and argues with himself.

Bullshit. You just make endless claims without a shred of reasoning or evidence to back them up. You're the reason why this debate can't progress. "Facebook can get all the data they want from you". How? "I don't know, but I just know it".

I still dont have an answer to what is the downside of registering your address at the local town hall.

What the fuck are you on about? I've answered it at least 5 times now.

Some vague reference to someone of 70 years ago is all up to now.

Vague reference? It's the fucking holocaust. There's nothing at all vague about it.

I have mentioned a few of the upsides which makes life easier.

And i've explained to you how we get the exact same upsides via a 4 year census. You, as usual, haven't addressed any of those points.

How do you pay local taxes like property tax? Dont you have to register your address to pay that or dont you pay them?

We don't have property taxes here. We have council rates, but that's for houses you own, not necessarily live in. And only the local council knows that info.

[Scot Dutchy]

What the fuck are you on about? I've answered it at least 5 times now.

You have not. A reference to Hitler is not an answer. That was 70 years ago and he happened to be a dictator.

And i've explained to you how we get the exact same upsides via a 4 year census. You, as usual, haven't addressed any of those points.

So you dont mind a census every four years but registration which would save a lot of time and money is a nono.

We don't have property taxes here. We have council rates, but that's for houses you own, not necessarily live in. And only the local council knows that info.

So nobody has told the government. What is the town council? A branch of government and they know which houses belong to you and you are constantly on the move between them.

[Brian Peacock]

Meanwhile, back at the thread, the Tories have decided to try and rehabilitate their toxic brand on immigration by not asking the NHS to collect useless immigration data - and besides it wasn't showing anything anyway, not that it'll stop the Daily Mail and its fellow swivel-eyed-loons from banging on about 'health tourism' or generating dubious stats about how much them foreigners are costing the nation...

Ministers are suspending controversial arrangements under which the NHS shares patients’ details with the Home Office so they can trace people breaking immigration rules.

The government’s U-turn on a key element of its “hostile environment” approach to immigration came after MPs, doctors’ groups and health organisations warned that the practice was stopping some patients from seeking NHS care for medical problems.

Margot James, minister for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, is due to announce the rethink during today’s parliamentary debate on the data protection bill. She will confirm that the government is suspending the memorandum of understanding (MOU) under which NHS Digital, the health service’s statistical arm, shared 3,000 NHS patients’ details with the Home Office last year so they could check those people’s immigration status...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ome-office

Perhaps they'll apply the same idea to schools so that kids refused free dinners aren't left to go hungry because the school can't guarantee their parents' immigration status.

[pErvinalia]

What the fuck are you on about? I've answered it at least 5 times now.

You have not. A reference to Hitler is not an answer. That was 70 years ago and he happened to be a dictator.

And i've explained to you how we get the exact same upsides via a 4 year census. You, as usual, haven't addressed any of those points.

So you dont mind a census every four years but registration which would save a lot of time and money is a nono.

We don't have property taxes here. We have council rates, but that's for houses you own, not necessarily live in. And only the local council knows that info.

So nobody has told the government. What is the town council? A branch of government and they know which houses belong to you and you are constantly on the move between them.

Man, you need to learn how to construct a cogent argument and cogent rebuttal. Every single answer here doesn't address what I said. It's pointless trying to debate this with you.

[Scot Dutchy]

Well you think you dont have a registry? Well look at this one:

Land titles

Property legislation in all states and territories is based on the Torrens principle of registration of title. Each state and territory has a central register of all land in the state which shows the owner of the land. The land title is the official record. It can also include information about mortgages, covenants, caveats and easements.

Search facilities are provided by state and territory land titles registries.

Changing your address. You think you dont have to notify? Dream on.

Change my address

If you're moving house there's a range of people and organisations that you need to notify.

Use the links below for quick access to update your address details for things like rego, driver licence, Medicare, Centrelink and the Tax Office.

A checklist has also been created to remind you of both government and other organisations that may require your new address.

Man you are worse than us. We just do it once at one office. Talk about inefficient.

Sorry perv but you are no different. Join the club.

[pErvinalia]

Rubbish. For a start, that's not the national government. So, fail. And secondly, there's absolutely no way for them to know if you change your address. And thirdly, it's not universal. Only for property owners (many of which don't live at the property). So, lots of fail. Again.

[Scot Dutchy]

Rubbish. For a start, that's not the national government. So, fail. And secondly, there's absolutely no way for them to know if you change your address. And thirdly, it's not universal. Only for property owners (many of which don't live at the property). So, lots of fail. Again.

You are very bad at losing. Accept with dignity.
You are wrong man. Everything is there. You NEED to notify your change of address. Cant you bloody read. What you are saying is illegal. Well it is Australia.

Not national government? So nobody is collating the data. What do you think they are doing with it?

Here is the first part of the checklist:



Check the rest. We dont have to do that for government bodies.

You are in a worst state because there is no security. Your address is on the street.

[pErvinalia]

You do realise that's a checklist, not a legal requirement, right?

It might be illegal for some services (is it? Do you know what law it allegedly breaks? ), but no one cares. There's millions of people in the country without an updated address. It's because we value the principles of liberal democracy.

And instead of continually proffering up arguments from incredulity, why don't you back up your rhetoric that the federal government is collating this data. And "I can't provide evidence of this, but I just know it", isn't backing anything up.

And again, it isn't universal. While the choices might be limited, it's not necessary to let the government know where you are living at any point, let alone every second like in the Netherregions Soviet Socialist Republics.

This is about more than practicalities - not that there's any practical disadvantage to doing it once every four years instead of every minute in the Netherlands. It's about maintaining limits on state power. You don't give them power that they don't need. It's a recipe for disaster, as we've seen repeatedly across the world in history. And on one hand you agree with this principle when you say that humans are inherently selfish and greedy, yet on the other hand you reckon we can just trust big brother. Not only naive, but utterly confused too.

And why don't you just cut the BS and admit the real reason why you love a live register? Any other time you mention this subject it's always in the context of immigrants getting up to no good and bludging on welfare. This isn't about any practicalities for you. It's because you are scared of and hate immigrants. You are really just swapping one conservative tendency for another. Either way it makes you a conservative in this realm.

[Scot Dutchy]

What power? You are so paranoid. So when you are told you need to inform about address change but you just ignore it.
You have to register property titles. That is a legal requirement. You have to tell the tax authorities your change of address. You have to inform your health insurance as well.
Who do you think uses all this data? They are just going to leave it lying around.
What power? You should be careful. This is pure paranoia.

Once again you are totally mixing up threads. It has no point discussing this any further. I have proven you wrong but you cant accept it. Having a census every four years is far more interfering than going once everytime you change address. The cost for the government is far higher and very inefficient. I never see the inside of the town hall for years. I never get asked questions by the town council. You do every four years. You still cant come up with what is the downside of our system. I have listed many on the state of your country but yet you have the illusion you are free. You are not by any stretch of the imagination. You just cant admit it.
My impression of Australia was spot on which is why I broke our vacation after three weeks and returned to sanity.

You are wrong and it hurts. You are more covered in red tape than we are. Live your delusional life.