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Re: All Things Trump

Post by pErvinalia » Wed May 09, 2018 10:38 am

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you know what, scot, compared to macron, hollande was not so bad, he did nothing, whereas macron is actually doing bad thing...
What's he getting up to? Is he a free-marketeer type?
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed May 09, 2018 10:46 am

Svartalf wrote:lol, I bet the little moron will go on kissing frum:p's arse, if not his lips.
Don't be so hard on the little moron, he saved you from viring in an even bigger moron. :)
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Forty Two » Wed May 09, 2018 10:47 am

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So the cunt gets bored. He needs crises. His childish mind as he was when at school; the big bully.

Trump has manufactured a national security crisis for no reason
His decision to pull the United States out of the Iran deal could place the lives of Americans – and people around the world – in danger. And all for nothing

Imagine the president of the United States of America sitting in the White House Situation Room with his top national security advisers and deciding that there are not enough threats to US national security. There are not enough wars and humanitarian crises around the world. The United States is bored. Imagine the president deciding to manufacture a new national security crisis that will directly threaten America, its allies and the world.

Sounds like the work of fiction, right? Unfortunately, not. President Trump announced his decision for the United States to violate the diplomatic agreement that is currently preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon – and with that decision Trump produced a new, unnecessary crisis.
Pulling out of a treaty is not "violating" the treaty. Countries are within their rights to announce withdrawal from treaties.

Further, the objection to the treaty is that it's not preventing Iran from doing anything, in actual fact.

Also, this is not new. Trump promised this during his campaign. He's following through on a campaign promise, and there is no manufactured security crisis, because the issues with Iran have been ongoing since before Trump took office and since he took office. It's not coming out of nowhere.
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Svartalf » Wed May 09, 2018 10:54 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:38 am
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you know what, scot, compared to macron, hollande was not so bad, he did nothing, whereas macron is actually doing bad thing...
What's he getting up to? Is he a free-marketeer type?
all too free, he is busy making sure that the rich get richer while the poor get even poorer... I mean, two of his best known acts were 1) to drastically reduce the big fortune tax, and 2) to reduce lodging aids...
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Svartalf » Wed May 09, 2018 10:56 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:46 am
Svartalf wrote:lol, I bet the little moron will go on kissing frum:p's arse, if not his lips.
Don't be so hard on the little moron, he saved you from viring in an even bigger moron. :)
I'm in no way responsible for the coupling we had on the second round of the presidential elections, and I'm ready to bet that, if she had been elected instead, her government would be completely stalled by parlementarian opposition, and no ordnance ruling for her either...
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed May 09, 2018 11:04 am


Forty Two wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 8:55 am
So the cunt gets bored. He needs crises. His childish mind as he was when at school; the big bully.

Trump has manufactured a national security crisis for no reason
His decision to pull the United States out of the Iran deal could place the lives of Americans – and people around the world – in danger. And all for nothing

Imagine the president of the United States of America sitting in the White House Situation Room with his top national security advisers and deciding that there are not enough threats to US national security. There are not enough wars and humanitarian crises around the world. The United States is bored. Imagine the president deciding to manufacture a new national security crisis that will directly threaten America, its allies and the world.

Sounds like the work of fiction, right? Unfortunately, not. President Trump announced his decision for the United States to violate the diplomatic agreement that is currently preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon – and with that decision Trump produced a new, unnecessary crisis.
Pulling out of a treaty is not "violating" the treaty. Countries are within their rights to announce withdrawal from treaties.

Further, the objection to the treaty is that it's not preventing Iran from doing anything, in actual fact.

Also, this is not new. Trump promised this during his campaign. He's following through on a campaign promise, and there is no manufactured security crisis, because the issues with Iran have been ongoing since before Trump took office and since he took office. It's not coming out of nowhere.
You're right, this is not a violation of the treaty and he did promise to do it, yet it's still a grossly stupid thing to do that makes the world less safe, as well as being something that was carried out on the back of wholly specious and misleading justification. If the idea was to tell the world that the US under Trump can no longer be trusted to honour their international agreements, meet their obligations, and keep their promises, or even to act rationally, then Trump has hit the bullseye big time. Three cheers for Trump. Hip hip......

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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Forty Two » Wed May 09, 2018 11:08 am

Macron deserves our sympathy, as he was like 16 years old when a 40 year old teacher of his took advantage of him sexually. Poor guy.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Forty Two » Wed May 09, 2018 11:13 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
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You're right, this is not a violation of the treaty and he did promise to do it, yet it's still a grossly stupid thing to do that makes the world less safe, as well as being something that was carried out on the back of wholly specious and misleading justification. If the idea was to tell the world that the US under Trump can no longer be trusted to honour their international agreements, meet their obligations, and keep their promises, or even to act rationally, then Trump has hit the bullseye big time. Three cheers for Trump. Hip hip......
Would you expand on or explain the ways in which the world will be less safe without the US as party to the Iran treaty?

Every country enters into and pulls out of treaties. It's not a failure to meet obligations or keep promises. If the US failed to meet its obligations under the treaty while it is in force, yes, that would be a violation of the treaty. But, announcing withdrawal from the treaty is not a failure to honor the treaty, a failure to meet its obligations or a failure to keep promises.

Now, suggesting that it's not a rational decision or its a bad decision might be a good argument. Can you set out that argument?
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Re: All Things Trump

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Forty Two wrote:
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Macron deserves our sympathy, as he was like 16 years old when a 40 year old teacher of his took advantage of him sexually. Poor guy.
I'm not sure who took advantage of whom, and 16 yolds are sex addicts anyway... plus, that guy is not deserving of my sympathy, ever, he messed with my life without even knowing whom it was he was messing with, and he's not an Incel.
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Forty Two » Wed May 09, 2018 11:54 am

France has an age of consent of, like, 15, but apparently she was his teacher. Here in the US that would be statutory rape. The left wing rag Slate, however, focused on the fact that Macron isn't politically hurt by his "seduction" of a woman almost three times his age...lol... had it been a woman, says Slate, she would have been cast as a Jezebel and ruined for "seducing" and wrecking the home of a 40+ year old married man... written with a straight face, lol. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/20 ... rting.html Gotta love it.

Macron's wife is the French Roy Moore!
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Svartalf » Wed May 09, 2018 11:59 am

the problem with statutory rape is that the key word is statutory, and it serves to criminalize otherwise perfectly consensual relations. I'm not bothering that PoS over his choice in women, but about his politics and his approach to exercizing power.
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Forty Two » Wed May 09, 2018 1:16 pm

The notion of "statutory" rape is that the minor does not have the capacity to form meaningful consent.

Had it been in the US, most US states (I think all, actually) would consider that statutory rape with a 40 year old and a 16 year old. Nowadays, the power dynamic of teacher and student are very relevant and even an 18 year old student would be under the age of consent if the older person is a teacher.

But, France seems to have a more rational approach to these kinds of sexual relations, not infantilizing teenagers as much. However, some cases push the limit a bit -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 849487edc1 "A French court acquitted a 30-year-old man of rape in November, concluding that the 11-year-old girl had not experienced “constraint, threat, violence or surprise” during the sex act, which is how France had previously defined rape."
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed May 09, 2018 1:26 pm

Just fuck off and look at your waste of a country.
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed May 09, 2018 1:46 pm

FFS He is looking more and more like a dictator:

Donald Trump threatens to 'take away media's credentials' over negative news stories about him
'Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt?'

Donald Trump has suggested he could "take away credentials" of media organisations over negative stories about him.

"The Fake News is working overtime." the US president wrote on Twitter. "Just reported that, despite the tremendous success we are having with the economy & all things else, 91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake).

"Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt? Take away credentials?"
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Re: All Things Trump

Post by pErvinalia » Wed May 09, 2018 3:04 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 11:08 am
Macron deserves our sympathy, as he was like 16 years old when a 40 year old teacher of his took advantage of him sexually. Poor guy.
He called our PM's wife "delicious" in a press conference when he was here last week. She's got to be 20 years older than him at least. He like the cougers.. :naughty:
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