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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:06 pm

Apparently "Big Data" is a thing. I'm not sure exactly what kind of thing it is, but it's big, and it's data. This caught my eye in today's Guardian...
Revealed: how bookies use AI to keep gamblers hooked

Artificial intelligence is being used to predict behaviour in ‘frightening new ways’ despite condemnation from MPs and campaigners

The gambling industry is increasingly using artificial intelligence to predict consumer habits and personalise promotions to keep gamblers hooked, industry insiders have revealed.

Current and former gambling industry employees have described how people’s betting habits are scrutinised and modelled to manipulate their future behaviour.

“The industry is using AI to profile customers and predict their behaviour in frightening new ways,” said Asif, a digital marketer who previously worked for a gambling company. “Every click is scrutinised in order to optimise profit, not to enhance a user’s experience.”

“I’ve often heard people wonder about how they are targeted so accurately and it’s no wonder because its all hidden in the small print.”

Publicly, gambling executives boast of increasingly sophisticated advertising keeping people betting, while privately conceding that some are more susceptible to gambling addiction when bombarded with these type of bespoke ads and incentives.

Gamblers’ every click, page view and transaction is scientifically examined so that ads statistically more likely to work can be pushed through Google, Facebook and other platforms.

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“Once someone has logged into a gambling platform it can do whatever they want with them,” said Brian, a digital marketer for the gambling industry. “It’s like a science, it’s not just random advertising messages, the whole thing is personalised, and data-driven customer profiles are constructed from gamblers’ behaviour.”

Last August, the Guardian revealed the gambling industry uses third-party companies to harvest people’s data, helping bookmakers and online casinos target people on low incomes and those who have stopped gambling.

Despite condemnation from MPs, experts and campaigners, such practices remain an industry norm.

“You can buy email lists with more than 100,000 people’s emails and phone numbers from data warehouses who regularly sell data to help market gambling promotions,” said Brian. “They say it’s all opted in but people haven’t opted in at all.”

In this way, among others, gambling companies and advertisers create detailed customer profiles including masses of information about their interests, earnings, personal details and credit history.

“I never cease to be amazed at how low the gambling industry is prepared to go to exploit those who have indicated an interest in gambling,” says Carolyn Harris, a Labour MP who has campaigned for gambling reform.

“The industry is geared to get people addicted to something that will cause immense harm, not just to society but to individuals and their families. They are parasitical leeches and I will offer no apology for saying that.” ...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... siders-say
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Post by cronus » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:27 pm

What's the difference between individualised and mass targeting of people based on a gambling vice? If a gambler wanted to gamble they'd do it in either case. Seems more worry over nothing. The morality isn't their to be protected. And those who gamble too much lose their shirt. Which is the perfect lesson not to do it again. Whether they are individually targeted or not.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:38 pm

What's the difference between individualised and mass targeting of people based on an alcohol vice? If an alcoholic wanted to get drunk they'd do it in either case. Seems more worry over nothing. The morality isn't their to be protected. And those who drink too much damage their liver. Which is the perfect lesson not to do it again. Whether they are individually targeted or not.

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:10 pm

I used the term Big Data a few months ago. I'm laying claim to being the originator of the term!
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Post by Hermit » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:17 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
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I used the term Big Data a few months ago. I'm laying claim to being the originator of the term!
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pm

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Post by laklak » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:35 pm

It's all part and parcel of the No Personal Responsibility Movement. They're everywhere. Everyone is an "addict" - sex addict, gambling addict, weed addict, drunk, name it. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT! You've been manipulated! You've been exploited! Big Pharma! Big Booze! Big Data! Big Fossil Fuel! Every bad thing is someone elses fault, and you deserve COMPENSATION!
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Hermit » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:43 pm

laklak wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:35 pm
It's all part and parcel of the No Personal Responsibility Movement. They're everywhere. Everyone is an "addict" - sex addict, gambling addict, weed addict, drunk, name it. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT! You've been manipulated! You've been exploited! Big Pharma! Big Booze! Big Data! Big Fossil Fuel! Every bad thing is someone elses fault, and you deserve COMPENSATION!
Yeah. Right. Because advertising does nothing. Businesses keep wasting trillions of of dollars on it just because they love wasting the shareholders' money. It's the shareholders who should sue the corporations for ripping them off.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:57 pm

laklak wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:35 pm
It's all part and parcel of the No Personal Responsibility Movement. They're everywhere. Everyone is an "addict" - sex addict, gambling addict, weed addict, drunk, name it. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT! You've been manipulated! You've been exploited! Big Pharma! Big Booze! Big Data! Big Fossil Fuel! Every bad thing is someone elses fault, and you deserve COMPENSATION!
I blame their parents.


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Post by laklak » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:25 pm

Hermit wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:43 pm
Yeah. Right. Because advertising does nothing. Businesses keep wasting trillions of of dollars on it just because they love wasting the shareholders' money. It's the shareholders who should sue the corporations for ripping them off.
Of course it works, because people are thick as pigshit and allow themselves to be manipulated by shiny, flashy stuff.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:54 pm

You see where religion comes from: the shiny, flashy stuff.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:31 pm

laklak wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:35 pm
It's all part and parcel of the No Personal Responsibility Movement. They're everywhere. Everyone is an "addict" - sex addict, gambling addict, weed addict, drunk, name it. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT! You've been manipulated! You've been exploited! Big Pharma! Big Booze! Big Data! Big Fossil Fuel! Every bad thing is someone elses fault, and you deserve COMPENSATION!
I've been exploited by Big Opiate. And I love it! :{D
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:34 pm

laklak wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:25 pm
Hermit wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:43 pm
Yeah. Right. Because advertising does nothing. Businesses keep wasting trillions of of dollars on it just because they love wasting the shareholders' money. It's the shareholders who should sue the corporations for ripping them off.
Of course it works, because people are thick as pigshit and allow themselves to be manipulated by shiny, flashy stuff.
All of us are thick as pig shit, in this respect, to varying degrees. Wouldn't it be better for all of us if we held advertisers to better account?
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Re: Big Data

Post by Hermit » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:44 pm

laklak wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:25 pm
Hermit wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:43 pm
Yeah. Right. Because advertising does nothing. Businesses keep wasting trillions of of dollars on it just because they love wasting the shareholders' money. It's the shareholders who should sue the corporations for ripping them off.
Of course it works, because people are thick as pigshit and allow themselves to be manipulated by shiny, flashy stuff.
All their fault, right? :roll:
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