Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Who in the fuck is tony montana? A great political brain? I dont think so. An arse-wipe.
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Soviet grocery store, wonderful system --
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
https://blog.chron.com/thetexican/2014/ ... lear-lake/ Yeltsin, then 58, [in 1989] “roamed the aisles of Randall’s nodding his head in amazement,” wrote Asin. He told his fellow Russians in his entourage that if their people, who often must wait in line for most goods, saw the conditions of U.S. supermarkets, “there would be a revolution.”
Yeltsin asked customers about what they were buying and how much it cost, later asking the store manager if one needed a special education to manage a store. In the Chronicle photos, you can see him marveling at the produce section, the fresh fish market, and the checkout counter. He looked especially excited about frozen pudding pops.
“Even the Politburo doesn’t have this choice. Not even Mr. Gorbachev,” he said.
The fact that stores like these were on nearly every street corner in America amazed him. They even offered free cheese samples. According to Asin, Yeltsin didn’t leave empty-handed, as he was given a small bag of goodies to enjoy on his trip.
About a year after the Russian leader left office, a Yeltsin biographer later wrote that on the plane ride to Yeltsin’s next destination, Miami, he was despondent. He couldn’t stop thinking about the plentiful food at the grocery store and what his countrymen had to subsist on in Russia.
In Yeltsin’s own autobiography, he wrote about the experience at Randall’s, which shattered his view of communism, according to pundits. Two years later, he left the Communist Party and began making reforms to turn the economic tide in Russia. You can blame those frozen Jell-O Pudding pops.
“When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,” Yeltsin wrote. “That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it.”
Yeltsin asked customers about what they were buying and how much it cost, later asking the store manager if one needed a special education to manage a store. In the Chronicle photos, you can see him marveling at the produce section, the fresh fish market, and the checkout counter. He looked especially excited about frozen pudding pops.
“Even the Politburo doesn’t have this choice. Not even Mr. Gorbachev,” he said.
The fact that stores like these were on nearly every street corner in America amazed him. They even offered free cheese samples. According to Asin, Yeltsin didn’t leave empty-handed, as he was given a small bag of goodies to enjoy on his trip.
About a year after the Russian leader left office, a Yeltsin biographer later wrote that on the plane ride to Yeltsin’s next destination, Miami, he was despondent. He couldn’t stop thinking about the plentiful food at the grocery store and what his countrymen had to subsist on in Russia.
In Yeltsin’s own autobiography, he wrote about the experience at Randall’s, which shattered his view of communism, according to pundits. Two years later, he left the Communist Party and began making reforms to turn the economic tide in Russia. You can blame those frozen Jell-O Pudding pops.
“When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,” Yeltsin wrote. “That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it.”
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
Back in 1918 to 1922, the gloriously structured Soviet Union engaged in the Red Terror and mass killings and mass political repression. Gotta stop the counter-revolutionaries, doncha know? Estimates of killings orchestrated by the Cheka are up to about 100,000 to 200,000.
Other Red Terrors occurred in Hungard, Spain, Greece, Ethiopia, China, etc....
False friends of the poor - many people are sold the bill of goods that the communists want to help the poor, but they don't. They want to help the industrial proletariat. Lenin, like Stalin and Mao, really sought power to force communist will on the masses and therefore create a paradise of socialism. They all loathed the independence and intransigence of the peasants, and didn’t mind seeing them starve to death to make room for a new order. All three leaders caused peasant famines. Marx himself considered peasants the “petit bourgeoisie” class, and therefore an enemy of industrial labor.
I think the reason people fall for communism so much is that the "idea" of it is sold as some sort of ideal. Nobody really, on the surface, thinks it's bad that everyone would be treated the same, get what they need, and contribute according to their ability. Sounds good until the implications are examined.
People who support communism tend not to have read Solzhenistzen and other such persons. And, they tend not to consider the horrible communist atrocities to be features of communism. They write them off as deviations from it. But, if one looks at the foundational texts, it's hard to argue that the leading communists like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and others - like today's Kim family in the DPRK - it's hard to argue that they're not being faithful to the ideology, in most respects.
Other Red Terrors occurred in Hungard, Spain, Greece, Ethiopia, China, etc....
False friends of the poor - many people are sold the bill of goods that the communists want to help the poor, but they don't. They want to help the industrial proletariat. Lenin, like Stalin and Mao, really sought power to force communist will on the masses and therefore create a paradise of socialism. They all loathed the independence and intransigence of the peasants, and didn’t mind seeing them starve to death to make room for a new order. All three leaders caused peasant famines. Marx himself considered peasants the “petit bourgeoisie” class, and therefore an enemy of industrial labor.
I think the reason people fall for communism so much is that the "idea" of it is sold as some sort of ideal. Nobody really, on the surface, thinks it's bad that everyone would be treated the same, get what they need, and contribute according to their ability. Sounds good until the implications are examined.
People who support communism tend not to have read Solzhenistzen and other such persons. And, they tend not to consider the horrible communist atrocities to be features of communism. They write them off as deviations from it. But, if one looks at the foundational texts, it's hard to argue that the leading communists like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and others - like today's Kim family in the DPRK - it's hard to argue that they're not being faithful to the ideology, in most respects.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
There's a similar, if less well documented story about a mayoral visit to London from Moscow as the USSR was collapsing. They were looking at western business and commerce processes and methods. They were visiting a bakery/bread factory. The Mayor - can't recall his name - asked one of the London officials how they planned the number of bakeries London required. The official explained that the market determined that. The mayor responded - 'what do you do with all the surplus bakers'?
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"They get made redundant and if they're lucky they'll be able retrain at their own expense and get another job before falling into destitution."Rum wrote:The mayor responded - 'what do you do with all the surplus bakers'?
[Disclaimer - if this is comes across like I think I know what I'm talking about, I want to make it clear that I don't. I'm just trying to get my thoughts down]
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Well put Rum. I was just about to respond similarly.Rum wrote:Arguably the ideology of communism - its ultimate goal is a kind of social justice. It conceptualises a future society where production is for use, not profit, and there is free access to all that’s produced. Work would be entered into voluntarily and the resources of the world would be freely available to everyone. Such a society will be established, so the thinking goes, when the overwhelming majority of the worlds workers understand the concept and want to organise themselves to make it happen.
That, for many people, especially those at the sharp end of the Capitalist system, is a pretty attractive goal. The devil, of course, is in the detail and all the major states that have attempted it have ended up with oppressive totalitarian systems so far.
Nazism has no such high ideas. National Socialism was arguably tied to Germany and was Germany specific, growing as it did in great part out of the ruinous reparations they were forced to make after WW1. Their policies were demands in great part and associated with regaining land lost after WW1, German identity, racism and so on.
There is nothing attractive about Nazism to most of us, whereas Communism, I would suggest, holds - or held - out the prospect of hope to millions of people living in poverty.
I'm sure Nazism is appealing to some people, but by its nature it's obviously going to have the possibility of appealing to a much smaller slice of the population than Communism can.
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Oh here we go. Conflating authoritarian state socialism with communism. How could we have ever predicted this would be the position you would take.Forty Two wrote:Back in 1918 to 1922, the gloriously structured Soviet Union engaged in the Red Terror and mass killings and mass political repression. Gotta stop the counter-revolutionaries, doncha know? Estimates of killings orchestrated by the Cheka are up to about 100,000 to 200,000.
Other Red Terrors occurred in Hungard, Spain, Greece, Ethiopia, China, etc....
False friends of the poor - many people are sold the bill of goods that the communists want to help the poor, but they don't. They want to help the industrial proletariat. Lenin, like Stalin and Mao, really sought power to force communist will on the masses and therefore create a paradise of socialism. They all loathed the independence and intransigence of the peasants, and didn’t mind seeing them starve to death to make room for a new order. All three leaders caused peasant famines. Marx himself considered peasants the “petit bourgeoisie” class, and therefore an enemy of industrial labor.
I think the reason people fall for communism so much is that the "idea" of it is sold as some sort of ideal. Nobody really, on the surface, thinks it's bad that everyone would be treated the same, get what they need, and contribute according to their ability. Sounds good until the implications are examined.
People who support communism tend not to have read Solzhenistzen and other such persons. And, they tend not to consider the horrible communist atrocities to be features of communism. They write them off as deviations from it. But, if one looks at the foundational texts, it's hard to argue that the leading communists like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and others - like today's Kim family in the DPRK - it's hard to argue that they're not being faithful to the ideology, in most respects.

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The former Bulgarian president Zhelju Zhelev wrote a book in the 70s, titled Fascism and it was all about communism being a higher level of fascism, of course he spent yeas in camps afterwards.
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Seth used to claim that fascism was a form of communism. I think Tyrannical parrots that as well, although I'm not sure he knows why. I assume Fox News told him.
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Well totalitarianism is neither fascist or communist. This is where right wing idiots get it wrong. The National Socialism in Germany was totalitarianism as was the Soviet Union under Stalin. Neither had anything to do with either fascism or communism. A typical fascist state was Italy under Mussolini. The trouble with fascism is so close to totalitarianism that it is hardly noticeable. Stalin on the other hand had to build a party structure within the USSR that was obedient only to him. This required several "progroms" to achieve it.
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The last 100 years seems to prove that wrong, as bakers in communist societies could hardly afford to buy bread.PsychoSerenity wrote:"They get made redundant and if they're lucky they'll be able retrain at their own expense and get another job before falling into destitution."Rum wrote:The mayor responded - 'what do you do with all the surplus bakers'?
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Which societies are those?
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
PErvin quick on the draw with “no true communism” argument, lol
Ok PErvin- describe actual communism. Link? Summary? What are the features of communism, and what would a communist country look like, if it really existed?
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Ok PErvin- describe actual communism. Link? Summary? What are the features of communism, and what would a communist country look like, if it really existed?
Deflection...personal attack... insult. 3, 2, 1.....
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