Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by Seabass » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:00 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Who is going to miss him?
Anyone interested in free speech, freedom of the press, and transparency in government.
I wonder how you felt about him before he and Trump started sucking each other's dicks...
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:03 pm

Seth would be the real one to ask that of. It would be almost sad to watch. I'm guessing 42 would not have been against Assange.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by Seabass » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:30 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Seth would be the real one to ask that of. It would be almost sad to watch. I'm guessing 42 would not have been against Assange.
Is Seth pro-Trump? I would think Trump would be too authoritarian for him.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:34 pm

Seth is a conservative, not a real libertarian. He's all for authoritarianism as long as it benefits him, or promotes his twisted morals.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:33 am

Just what has Assange got to do with free speech? He is just a leach.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:42 am

He exposes secrets. Seems very relevant to free speech.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:05 am

pErvinalia wrote:He exposes secrets. Seems very relevant to free speech.
Selected secrets.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:27 pm

Doesn't matter. Free speech is the right to say what you want within constraints, not what others want you to say.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by laklak » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:13 pm

He's constrained, most certainly.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by mistermack » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:53 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:He exposes secrets. Seems very relevant to free speech.
Selected secrets.
Yeh. Secret secrets.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by cronus » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:08 pm

mistermack wrote:
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pErvinalia wrote:He exposes secrets. Seems very relevant to free speech.
Selected secrets.
Yeh. Secret secrets.
He's a constant surprise. That much is sure.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by Forty Two » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:07 pm

Rum wrote:He's certainly struggling..

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/ecuador-cut ... s-internet

Ecuador's government is cutting off WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's communications outside the nation's London embassy.

The Australian has been living at the embassy since June 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden to face questioning over allegations of sex crimes, which he always denied.

Officials announced on Wednesday they were taking the measure in response to Mr Assange's recent activity on social media.

As part of an agreement between Mr Assange and the Ecuadorean government, he is not permitted to send any messages that could interfere with the South American nation's relations with other countries.

Swedish authorities have dropped their investigation, but Mr Assange believes he will be extradited to the United States for questioning over the activities of WikiLeaks if he leaves the building.


Earlier, former Greek minister Yanis Varoufakis and musician Brian Eno said in a statement they had heard "with great concern" about the lost internet access and ban on visitors.

"Only extraordinary pressure from the US and the Spanish governments can explain why Ecuador's authorities should have taken such appalling steps in isolating Julian," they said.

They added that the Ecuador government had only recently granted Mr Assange citizenship, saying it must have been "leaned on mercilessly" to stop attempting to provide a diplomatic route to safety and even drive the WikiLeaks founder out of the embassy.

"Clearly, Ecuador's government has been subjected to bullying over its decision to grant Julian asylum, support and ultimately, diplomatic status."

UK Foreign Office Minister Sir Alan Duncan branded Mr Assange a "miserable little worm" during a Commons debate on Tuesday, adding he should leave the Ecuadorean embassy and surrender to British justice.

Mr Assange replied: "Britain should come clean on whether it intends to extradite me to the United States for publishing the truth and cease its ongoing violation of the UN rulings in this matter.

"If it does this disgraceful impasse can be resolved tomorrow. I have already fully served any theoretical (I haven't been charged) "bail violation" whilst in prison and under house arrest. So why is there a warrant for my arrest?"
Why is he a "miserable little worm?" For publishing the truth? What "British justice" is waiting for him? For what?
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by Forty Two » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:10 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:He's a fugitive from justice, and he always has the option to emerge from his bolthole and face the allegations in an honourable manner.
He's willing to do so, but he is under threat of extradition for no good reason to the United States. He didn't commit any crimes in the US, or of US law. So, he has a good point. The Swedes have dropped their investigation (and the allegations were really rather flimsy to begin with there).

He's being chased down for publishing documents that embarrassed the US and the UK, and well they should be embarrassed for those things which were revealed, under Bush/Blair and under subsequent administrations.
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by Forty Two » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:15 pm

Seabass wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Who is going to miss him?
Anyone interested in free speech, freedom of the press, and transparency in government.
I wonder how you felt about him before he and Trump started sucking each other's dicks...
I've never been anything other than a fan of Wikileaks and Assange. When he revealed the mountains of info under Bush/Blair, I never criticized him or suggested he was guilty of any wrongdoing, because there was no case laid out against him that I could conclude represented a crime.

He received information and published it, and the information is true. What he did, both early on and of late, is no different than what the New York Times did with the Pentagon Papers. I stand on that. I support the SCOTUS Pentagon Papers ruling, and I support what the New York Times did back then, and it set a very good precedent. As Wikileaks did nothing characteristically different from that, I support them wholeheartedly,whether the persons they implicated in immoral or criminal behavior were of one party or another.

Not sure why you'd have to wonder about that. It's not me who has been inconsistent about that. What possible reason could you have for thinking that I would have a different opinion?
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Re: Do you think Assange will commit suicide?

Post by Forty Two » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:16 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Seth would be the real one to ask that of. It would be almost sad to watch. I'm guessing 42 would not have been against Assange.
I like Assange. It's other people who loved him before, when his targets were the "bad guys" and of late they have changed their tune because he's sucking the wrong dick now....
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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