Donald is here to stay, now what? Cursing and swearing OK

[Rum]

Big fucking deal. You think that makes it OK?

[Animavore]

[Tyrannical]

Big fucking deal. You think that makes it OK?

On the off chance you are replying to me and don't have me blocked.......

Of 1995....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

Trump promised and he kept it, he stopped kicking the can; as has been done for twenty years......

[Forty Two]

Everything just gets blown out of proportion with the Trump derangement syndrome. So, the US wants our embassy in Jerusalem, where Israel wants its capital? Big deal?

In 1948, the UN resolution that would have made Jerusalem the capital of both Israel and a Palestinian state went through, and Israel accepted. Naturally, the Arabs rejected it, because they can't stand to have Jews around, so they invaded and got their asses beaten. Jordan had east Jerusalem and Israel had the west. They invaded again in 1967 and the Israelis took east Jerusalem from Jordan, and also the Golan Heights from Syria. Sounds good so far. So, they want their capital in Jerusalem where the UN agreed it should be in 1948, and the only reason anyone is objecting is because the Palestinians are still bitching about it. How about they agree to split the city with Israel and they can have their capital there, too?

It's time for that mess to end. The Arabs need to knowthat Israel is not going away, and the best they can do is make a reasonable deal where they get a country with a defined border and then Israel would stay in Israel and the now territories would become a new country. Either that, or have the West bank and such cede back to Jordan. Do something, for fuck's sake.

Using the term 'syndrome' is nice sleight of hand. Well it would be if he wasn't such a worrying individual. Using it suggests those who criticise Trump are the problem and not the man himself.

Fair point, but by the same token, there is this reaction to Trump that began as soon as he announced his candidacy - everything he does is wrong. It's as if people can't get past his attitude and mannerisms, and look at what is actually being done.

His predecessor got a Nobel Peace Prize IN ADVANCE of actually doing anything as President of the US.

He may be trying to unblock the road jam but there's no real evidence that such an approach will have any impact when pretty much every Arab on the streets of every Middle Eastern city wants Israel to be gone.

Here's the thing. Israel is not going to be gone. That is not going to happen. So, the Arab on the street needs to get that through their head, because eliminating Israel, or making it an Israel a Muslim nation. So, Israel is not going anywhere - it's been 50 years since the 1967 War. The best the Palestinians are going to get is a country next to Israel. If this kicks them in the nuts a little, so be it.

The Northern Ireland approach showed that very slow incremental compromise, building trust and responding to the desire of ordinary people for the end of violence pays off in the longer term. Trump doesn't have the qualities to begin such a strategy. Instead he throws his toys out of the pram. How pathetic.

I don't think that's fair at all. You're recommending a century long incremental compromise, peppered with conflict, and with the occupying side torturing captured prisoners of the "freedom fighter" side? Torture centers? The Hooded Men? Castlereagh? IRA bombs going off all over the place? Building trust and responding to the desire of ordinary people to end the violence? I think you are taking a little bit for granted there....

And, he hasn't thrown the toys out with the pram. He's made a decision. He's changing the status quo. Jerusalem is Israel's capital, and that's where Israel wants it, and that was the intent from the beginning. Now, if the Palestinians want something else to happen, they're going to have to come forward and make a deal. The status quo is gone. The ones that are off base here are the ones demanding that things just remain the same as they've been - don't change the status of jerusalem, no! Let's keep the place in a constant state of tension and flux, endless year, grinding after endless year....

The only thing, though, that bothers me about the condemnation votes is that the countries that are doing the condemning are not the ones helping with the peace process. They don't do anything except point fingers. Don't like this move? How about proposing a solution that doesn't involving Israel going away?

[Forty Two]

Big fucking deal. You think that makes it OK?

I think it is o.k.

To Israel, Jerusalem is its capital. Not sure what would be wrong with that. So, I'm not sure why it's wrong for the US to move an embassy there, and recognize Israel's decision.

It's up the Palestinians where Israel plants its capital, is it? Israel legitimately has a claim to Jerusalem and that was recognized in 1948 by the UN. It's the Palestinians that reject peace. They rejected the open city resolution which would have given half to Israel and half to the Palestinians and they both could have capital there. Israel accepted it.

All along, that's the case. Israel has millions of Arab Muslims living in peace and participating fully in society and government as citizens, and they have no problem living side by side. Who calls for eradication and obliteration? Palestinians and other Arab Muslims. Who calls the existence of Israel a great tragedy? Arab Muslims. Who accepts two state solutions? Israel.

There is one main roadblock to peace here - Arab Muslims. Israel wouldn't even have a choice. If the Arab Muslims would come to the table for a two-state solution and if they would settle on approximately the 1967 borders, the US would be on the side of that deal, and the rest of the world would be too. Israel would have no political option otherwise.

This is not even a very arguable point of international law. The Brits had occupier powers over the area up until the end of World War 2. It was splitting off countries here and there for decades, ever since the end of the Ottoman Empire. Instead of the Brits just carving up the land like they did the others, they ceded their legal authority to the UN to do the figuring. And, the UN used that authority to carve up the two state solution. Who rejected it? Arab Muslims.

[Sean Hayden]

They rejected it from the get go therefore they are at fault? --jesus fucking christ, the authority is strong in this one

[Forty Two]

They rejected it from the get go therefore they are at fault? --jesus fucking christ, the authority is strong in this one

It wasn't their choice. The UK had the authority to make partitions in the British Mandate for Palestine. That authority was ceded to the United Nations. It wasn't up to Iraq, for example, where its borders were placed when it was carved out of the carcass of the defeated Ottoman Empire. It wasn't up to Transjordan. The Brits just drew the lines.

The UN passed Resolution 181, and that's what created Israel. The rejection of it by some Arab countries doesn't mean shit. They don't have veto power. Their opinion is duly noted, but they're just individual states. United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 called for the partition of the British-ruled Palestine Mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. It was approved on November 29, 1947 with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one absent.
The resolution was accepted by the Jews in Palestine, yet rejected by the Arabs in Palestine and the Arab states - only, the rejection doesn't mean it didn't go into effect to create Israel. All the other countries around - Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc., already had defined borders, so with Israel having defined borders, then all the "rejection" amounted to was the people living there said "we don't want to be a state [unless we can have Israel too]." That's about the stupidest position anyone can take, and has no real legal import.

So, then when the Arab countries went on their war of genocide against Israel in 1949, Jordan annexed and occupied the West Bank, and part of Jerusalem etc. They just fucking took it. Annexed it formally in 1950. what the fuck was that about, eh? The "international community"viewed that annexation as illegal - what else can it be? And, then the Arab League said "oh, well, we're just holding onto this land in trust for the Palestinian people" until the "dispute" could be resolved. Well, who the fuck is the Arab League to do that? They just take land that was under British mandate and then UN authority? Seize it "in trust?" What fucking bullshit story is that?

The UK was smart at the time, and everyone should have followed their lead. They recognized Transjordan's annexation of the West Bank and such. That's what all the countries and the UN should have done. They should have just voted to ratify Transjordan's conquest, and said "fine, you're fucking Jordanians - happy now?" However, the rest of the world didn't recognize the annexation.

Jordan held the West Bank and such up until 1967, when, you guessed it, the Arab Muslims decided to try again to eradicate and obliterate Israel, the awful Jewy place. They got their assess handed to them. The Israelis pushed Jordan over the Jordan river and Jordan renounced its claim to the West Bank.

So, now you have Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, and some areas in there that nobody owns. Israel took east Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. And, that's where we stand today.

So, what's the solution? Palestinians take what they have and form a fucking country. Either that, or join up with one of the Arab countries, like, I don't know, fucking Jordan, which the Palestinians were citizens of up until the last time they all tried to eradicate Israel.

It's a ridiculous dispute which continues only because a certain group wants to eradicate a certain country and make sure that the entire region is 100% Islamic. Well, you know what - Israel's been around now for going on 70 years. It's not going anywhere, folks. There are like 8 million people there now, living first world style. There is not going to be any revers Naqba. There is not going to be an eradicating or obliterating. So, the sooner they accept that, the better, and it really is high time that someone approached it like that. Nothing over the last 50 years has done anything to stop the rain of bombs and terror. Enough already.

[JimC]

O.k., I must be remembering it wrong. There was some rule enacted for "group attack," though, wasn't there? What is that?

It can't be just a general rant against right wingers, or liberals, or whatever, it has to have a clear connection to forum members. Seth and the Dodo man often crossed this line, such as:

"The lying leftist scum on this forum..."

[Tero]

Tom Hanks rejects Trump offer
http://washingtonpress.com/2017/12/20/t ... -defiance/

[pErvinalia]

Big fucking deal. You think that makes it OK?

On the off chance you are replying to me and don't have me blocked.......

Of 1995....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

Trump promised and he kept it, he stopped kicking the can; as has been done for twenty years......

And both Israelis and Palestinians will pay for that in body count.

[Hermit]

The UK had the authority to make partitions in the British Mandate for Palestine. That authority was ceded to the United Nations.

Problem was that before the British ceded Mandatory Palestine to the UN they promised Palestine to the Arabs in return for an Arab revolt against their Turkish (i.e. Ottoman) occupiers. They also promised the same real estate to the Jews, also in return for support against the Ottomans. The Arab revolt took place. The reward was not paid. At the time the area that is now Israel was populated 95% by Palestinian Arabs and 5% by Jews. Today the mix is 21% Palestinian Arab and 75% Jews.

If you think the Jews are entitled to the land they were driven out of 1900 years earlier you'll create some serious problems how to handle the situation with indigenous populations in the US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and others.

[Seabass]

We should have let all the Jewish people settle in Wyoming. It's a large, beautiful state with a very low population. Plus, Jew cowboys would be awesome.

[Hermit]

We should have let all the Jewish people settle in Wyoming. It's a large, beautiful state with a very low population. Plus, Jew cowboys would be awesome.

Over 900 Jewish passengers on the MS St. Louis tried to do something like that in May 1939, but the US told them to fuck right off. The ship finished up dropping them off bit by bit in other countries, mainly European ones. As some of those countries were overrun by the Nazis, many of the refugees finished up in the clutches of race purity fanatics. Approximately a quarter of the original consignment perished in concentration camps.

After the war nobody wanted them either, though the US and the USSR were extremely enthusiastic in welcoming Nazi scientists, particularly those who were developing weapons of mass destruction.

[Seabass]

Tom Brokaw is one of those old-school newsmen that tends to be non-partisan to a fault. If he's gone full partisan on Trump, it's a sign that Trump is seriously fucking terrible.

‘WE’RE AT WAR’ AGAINST TRUMP AND FOX NEWS’ ‘JIHAD’ ON MUELLER’S RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, TOM BROKAW SAYS

[Animavore]

Clearly he's trying to follow the Trump rulebook, but failing.

It's been more than a week since embattled Alabama Republican Roy Moore lost a special Senate election to Democrat Doug Jones — and he still hasn't conceded.

But Moore has posted links to his Facebook page discussing "How Muslims and Marxists delivered for Doug Jones" and that "Doug Jones's Gay Son Is 'Thrilled' by the Alabama win."

"Roy Moore is taking his loss well," tweeted CNN's Andrew Kaczynski on Thursday, pointing out Moore's Facebook posts.

The first link came from the fringe conspiracy site World Net Daily, a website for which Moore himself had written columns. The second was from The Advocate, an LGBT publication. Moore subsequently deleted this link from his page.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/roy-moore ... ?r=US&IR=T