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Post by Forty Two » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:40 pm

Senate Democrats lying about the tax plan. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... ba1e967dee
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One thing about the right is the fallacy that those with money all earned it..... and therefore the insidious assumption that the poor deserve their lot too.
Trump, the bankrupt, knows this only too well so his tax cut on large sums of inheritance tax was expected .
Shows that even the idea of a meritocracy is flawed.
Any analysis of the tax cuts shows Trumps claims are LIES
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42420221
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Post by Feck » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:03 pm

Everyone is lying about Trump's tax plan :fp: it's all Fake News :bored:
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Forty Two, just assume I added a fuck load of ad-homs about your honesty since I can't be bothered .
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Feck wrote:One thing about the right is the fallacy that those with money all earned it..... and therefore the insidious assumption that the poor deserve their lot too.
Trump, the bankrupt, knows this only too well so his tax cut on large sums of inheritance tax was expected .
Shows that even the idea of a meritocracy is flawed.
Any analysis of the tax cuts shows Trumps claims are LIES
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42420221
Fat cat champagne socialists living in the States that didn't vote for Trump get slammed :funny:
I especially feel sorry for all those poor Hollywood actors that can no longer deduct hundreds of thousands $$$ in property and local/state taxes.
Under current law, families can claim deductions for what they pay in state and local taxes. The new law will cap the deduction at $10,000 - a provision expected to hurt some people in states such as New York, New Jersey and Maryland.

Those are also states with high housing costs, so homeowners there could be hit by the new cap on the mortgage interest deduction. Currently loans up to $1m are eligible, but that falls to $750,000 under the new plan.

Perhaps not coincidentally many of the states most affected by the provisions are Democratic.
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:38 pm

Feck wrote:One thing about the right is the fallacy that those with money all earned it..... and therefore the insidious assumption that the poor deserve their lot too.
Trump, the bankrupt, knows this only too well so his tax cut on large sums of inheritance tax was expected .
Shows that even the idea of a meritocracy is flawed.
Any analysis of the tax cuts shows Trumps claims are LIES
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42420221
Since when does not earning money you have mean it ought to be taken away? If I give money to my kids, that's not a bad thing. That's what I get to do with my money because I sacrificed a chunk of my life making it, so that I could give my kids a better life. Fuck anyone who wants to take that away. Others can support their own kids.

This is just leftist crap -- it's like that garbage in education where they say it's unfair for people with money to send their kids to private school, or even read to their kids, because some kids don't have parents who do those things. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/ ... ivate.html and http://richmond.citymomsblog.com/parent ... advantage/ and http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... rine-timpf (let's just simply abolish the family as a way to solve the social justice problem...that would level the playing field)
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Post by Feck » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:51 pm

It's nice that ,for the purposes of this post, you have abandoned the whole concept of a meritocracy that's a central part of your right-wing credo ..
I don't think I needed to post the ad-homs about your honesty :funny:
Suddenly supporting Trump, divorced as many times as he has been bankrupt, is about family values :hilarious:

Oh and BTW I was privately educated you are starting to sound home-schooled .
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:58 pm

Feck wrote:It's nice that ,for the purposes of this post, you have abandoned the whole concept of a meritocracy that's a central part of your right-wing credo ..
I'm not right wing, and I don't support a "meritocracy." Never have said anything like that. I support freedom, which in the economic sense is the best way to cause those with the most merit in a particular field of endeavor to succeed. However, I am absolutely not in favor of some requirement that only the best (as determined somehow) are to be hired or promoted, etc. If you start a bakery and you want to hire someone good enough who you trust, rather than hire the best baker available, that's your call.

I've not "abandoned" meritocracy, because I've never advanced it. If I pass away and leave my home, which I worked and scraped my life to own outright without a mortgage, to my daughter, then she doesn't get that taken away just because some leftist douchebag thinks she didn't "earn" it. She doesn't have to "earn" it. It's my property, and I'm allowed to give it to my daughter.
Feck wrote: I don't think I needed to post the ad-homs about your honesty :funny:
What the hell are you talking about? I've never been dishonest, so fuck off with your implications. And, honesty has nothing to do with this anyway - what the fuck do you think I'm being dishonest about?
Feck wrote: Suddenly supporting Trump, divorced as many times as he has been bankrupt, is about family values :hilarious:
Who said that? Not me. Not now. Not ever. I am not at all concerned with family values or how many times someone was divorced or went bankrupt.
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Oh and BTW I was privately educated you are starting to sound home-schooled .
You're starting to sound rather poorly educated, since you aren't making any sense or even addressing the point raised here. The issue you raised was about people and their "earnings." If you have private property, the people who you give your property to don't have to "earn" it, if you don't want them to. Do they? Or do they? Have fun on Christmas "earning" your presents.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:07 pm

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Feck wrote:It's nice that ,for the purposes of this post, you have abandoned the whole concept of a meritocracy that's a central part of your right-wing credo ..
I'm not right wing,
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Feck wrote: I don't think I needed to post the ad-homs about your honesty :funny:
What the hell are you talking about? I've never been dishonest,
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Post by Hermit » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:12 pm

Forty Two wrote:I'm not right wing
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No matter how many times you say that, it always gets the same reaction out of me, especially now that I have had a closer look at the sources of your information you keep linking to.
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:18 pm

Hermit wrote:
Forty Two wrote:I'm not right wing
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No matter how many times you say that, it always gets the same reaction out of me, especially now that I have had a closer look at the sources of your information you keep linking to.
Compared to me...... lol
Please keep and allow other people to keep things in perspective.
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:25 pm

I'm happy to discuss it with you.

What would you say are the main views/political positions which makes someone "right wing?"

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