objectivism for the masses
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Re: objectivism for the masses
I find a lot to object in this thread...
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Re: objectivism for the masses
the masses are objectively trumpian, fuck the morons.
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Re: objectivism for the masses
Objectivism: The justification for scratching your itch with someone else's hand.
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Re: objectivism for the masses
Objectivism:
a. reality exists independently of consciousness;
b. human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception;
c. one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive logic;
d. the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness (rational self-interest);
e. the only social system consistent with this morality is one that displays full respect for individual rights embodied in laissez-faire capitalism, and
f. the role of art in human life is to transform humans' metaphysical ideas by selective reproduction of reality into a physical form—a work of art—that one can comprehend and to which one can respond emotionally.
"Objectivism" derives from the idea that human knowledge and values are objective: they exist and are determined by the nature of reality, to be discovered by one's mind, and are not created by the thoughts one has.
It's metaphysics is objective reality based on the three axioms (existence, consciousness and identity) - it's epistemology (how we know what we know) is reason. Ethics is self-interest. Politics is individualism. Aesthetics is metaphysical value judgment.
a. reality exists independently of consciousness;
b. human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception;
c. one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive logic;
d. the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness (rational self-interest);
e. the only social system consistent with this morality is one that displays full respect for individual rights embodied in laissez-faire capitalism, and
f. the role of art in human life is to transform humans' metaphysical ideas by selective reproduction of reality into a physical form—a work of art—that one can comprehend and to which one can respond emotionally.
"Objectivism" derives from the idea that human knowledge and values are objective: they exist and are determined by the nature of reality, to be discovered by one's mind, and are not created by the thoughts one has.
It's metaphysics is objective reality based on the three axioms (existence, consciousness and identity) - it's epistemology (how we know what we know) is reason. Ethics is self-interest. Politics is individualism. Aesthetics is metaphysical value judgment.
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How are d, e, and f contingent on a, b, and c?
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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Yes, I was thinking the same. the first 3 are a reasonable fit with a viewpoint of scientific materialism, the rest seem to be political add-ons...Brian Peacock wrote:How are d, e, and f contingent on a, b, and c?
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I don't think they are or are supposed to be. The lettering is mine, and is offered merely as a basic statement of the pillars of objectivist philosophy.Brian Peacock wrote:How are d, e, and f contingent on a, b, and c?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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The lettering might be yours, though the wording is Wikipedia's, but does it stand as a philosophical doctrine or a political manifesto?
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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Re: objectivism for the masses
They don't stem from the first three, but they stem from the cardinal values of objectivist thought. Which are Reason, Purpose, and Self. Reason, because it is the means of gaining knowledge, and, through production, our means of survival. Purpose, because each of us has free will and must direct himself toward chosen goals, through a chosen course of life. Self, because without self-esteem, a self-motivating being cannot find the means to continue.JimC wrote:Yes, I was thinking the same. the first 3 are a reasonable fit with a viewpoint of scientific materialism, the rest seem to be political add-ons...Brian Peacock wrote:How are d, e, and f contingent on a, b, and c?
I'm trying to find a good summary of the connection from premises/first principles to the rational self-interest bit, but I think it can be pulled from Virtue of Selfishness. Rand and Peikoff do make the connection, though.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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They are the pillars of objectivist philosophy, and its politics are a pillar. The entirety is not a political manifesto, but there is a politics to it, just as there is a morality, epistemology, etc.Brian Peacock wrote:The lettering might be yours, though the wording is Wikipedia's, but does it stand as a philosophical doctrine or a political manifesto?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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