GAY adopter kills child within weeks.

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Here’s evidence that heterosexual parents murder adopted kids

Fuck me, you had to look a long way away to get it.

Why don't you include the princes in the tower? Just about as relevant.

Isn't it strange that my mind is supposed to be a cess pool, but that kid would be alive and safe today, if I'd been in charge of the adoption, and not the likes of you?

This Stoke mother smothered her daughter with a towel - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ghter.html I can claim the moral high ground on that if I declare myself in favor of requiring professional caregivers for each baby. After all, if we had dedicated, trained, and licensed professional caregivers, this child would still be alive.

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Two, haven't been any stats presented here to suggest that gay parents are more likely to shake or hit their babies than straight parents. Whoever is making that assertion needs to present those stats to back it up

Stupid argument. There are no figures for pitbulls as adoptive parents either.

Sometimes, you need to see the bleeding obvious for what it is.

Gay men are not the same as women. Some prick of a social worker looked at this wanker, and chose him over a long list of REAL women, as a mother to this little girl.

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This Stoke mother smothered her daughter with a towel -

Another silly argument.
Unless you are proposing that adoptions should be given as little thought as a natural birth.

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And your argument isn't 'silly' based on nothing but homophobic bigotry?

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Two, haven't been any stats presented here to suggest that gay parents are more likely to shake or hit their babies than straight parents. Whoever is making that assertion needs to present those stats to back it up

Stupid argument. There are no figures for pitbulls as adoptive parents either.

Sometimes, you need to see the bleeding obvious for what it is.

Gay men are not the same as women. Some prick of a social worker looked at this wanker, and chose him over a long list of REAL women, as a mother to this little girl.

Straight men are not the same as women either, and they don't generally shake their babies to death. Further, plenty of women murder their babies.

To understand whose the risk, we'd need to see the numbers.

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This Stoke mother smothered her daughter with a towel -

Another silly argument.
Unless you are proposing that adoptions should be given as little thought as a natural birth.

I have no problem with it being given thought.

It's a difficult situation. Even if this little girl were left in the care of the State, that doesn't guarantee any greater degree of safety. The kids are being molested, beaten and murdered by their natural parents, churches/temples/mosques, schools, state homes, foster homes, what have you. I like to believe we're only dealing with a small portion of any population, but unless you've got some data to show the population you're concerned about poses some significantly more substantial danger, then you're not really making a case.

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All I'm saying is that there is more violence in gay relationships, this is a verifiable factoid. And so more monitoring in the adoption procedures should apply for gays. Where is the fault in the logic which implies bigotry?

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Straight men are not the same as women either, and they don't generally shake their babies to death. Further, plenty of women murder their babies.

To understand whose the risk, we'd need to see the numbers.

Your reasoning is juvenile. Straight men don't generally shake their babies to death. But they are generally their own flesh and blood. And the mother generally does more of the caring.
Adoption is different, or did you not know?

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All I'm saying is that there is more violence in gay relationships, this is a verifiable factoid. And so more monitoring in the adoption procedures should apply for gays. Where is the fault in the logic which implies bigotry?

I didn't call you a bigot. 26% of gay men report having experienced physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. 29% of heterosexual men reported similar violence in the same study. 40% of lesbian women reported physical violence by their partners, and 44% reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women reported physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners in the same study. Walters, Mikel L., Jieru Chen, and Matthew J. Breiding. "The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS): 2010 findings on victimization by sexual orientation." Atlanta, GA: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 648, no. 73 (2013).

Doesn't look like there are significant differences. More hetero men report experiencing violence from their partners than gay men. More lesbian women report violence from there partners than straight women from theirs. But, the difference is not humongous.

Wouldn't the key be whether there are more reports of violence against children? I haven't seen anything on that.

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The worst bigots are those spewing bile about things they know nothing about, led primarily by their own prejudice in the matter.

Babies being shaken to death by natural fathers is rare by the way but it happens more than people might realise. It is the leading cause of death for babies under a year old in the USA - an estimated 1300 annually. The stats suggest men and women are more or less as likely to be perpetrators.

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Straight men are not the same as women either, and they don't generally shake their babies to death. Further, plenty of women murder their babies.

To understand whose the risk, we'd need to see the numbers.

Your reasoning is juvenile. Straight men don't generally shake their babies to death. But they are generally their own flesh and blood. And the mother generally does more of the caring.
Adoption is different, or did you not know?

Straight men who adopt also do not generally shake their babies to death. And, mothers do not have a lower propensity to kill their babies than fathers. It's the mothers that drown them in the tub or smother them with pillows/towels.

Again, the key is whether there is any evidence at all that gay men shake or hit babies more than straight men.

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Of course, this is why women usually get the kids in divorce cases.
It's our courts imposing their own prejudiced gender stereotypes on others. Do they not realise that women are exactly the same as men? It's only the clothes that are different.

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I don't think women are exactly the same as men.

Women are at least as likely as men to kill their children—more so if one counts killings of newborns—and account for more than half of child maltreatment perpetrators. http://jaapl.org/content/jaapl/35/1/74.full.pdf

The courts award women primary custody of children most often because of a variety of reasons. One, most divorces are resolved by a settlement, so the parties end up agreeing on the custody and visitation arrangement, child support and other issues. Two, where the courts resolve the issue, they generally have to make a determination based on the facts before them, and there is still a greater propensity of couples where women stay home to care for the kids, or limit their work to part time, etc. So, as a practical matter, the husband is usually less able to dedicate the time to care for the children because he has to keep working outside the home to earn.

It's generally women who are the deciding vote in whether they work full time and pay for day care, or stay home and dedicate most of their time to child and home care. As much as that might be politically incorrect to say, I think it's true. It's true in my experience, anyway, where I live and with whom I interact. None of my male friends made that decision. It's the wives who decided they wanted to stay home, and most of the men were of the view that whatever their wives wanted was fine.

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Women are at least as likely as men to kill their children—more so if one counts killings of newborns—and account for more than half of child maltreatment perpetrators

That's ludicrously simplistic.
Women spend far more time caring for kids than men. Men don't generally have the kids 24/7.

Put men in a woman's position, as an actual full-time mother day and night, and the statistics would be very different.

As it was in this case.