George HW Bush Guilty of Sexual Assault

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George HW Bush Guilty of Sexual Assault

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:55 pm

Listen and Believe? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-her.html

I just wish the articles on things like this would describe the facts. He apparently sexually assaulted her, from his wheelchair, when he "touched her FROM behind." O.k., so what did he do? Did he "touch her behind," or did he just touch her from behind. That could be her back or lower back. He was sitting, she was standing next to him. Where, exactly, did he put his hand, and why would the article not say? Did he squeeze? What was it?

She also alleges that he told her a "dirty joke," but there is no description of the joke. How dirty? What was it that he said?

He apologized, but only for the "attempt at humor." Well, fine, that sounds o.k., but we don't know what he said, or the context. Why did he make a joke? Were other people joking? Did she joke? Was it completely unsolicited or out of bounds? How bad was it? Was it mildly off-color or was it brutally gross?

We may want to compare this to how Margaret Thatcher treated Christopher Hitchens --
https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archi ... ns/274779/ Listen and believe folks. Christopher would never lie about that kind of sexual assault, and harassing comment! So brave... he was so brave....
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Post by Rum » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:15 pm

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:37 pm

Again, it seems the first impulse is to to cast doubt upon the claim and the claimant rather than simply reserve judgement.

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Re: George HW Bush Guilty of Sexual Assault

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:52 pm

Actually, my first impulse was to wonder why an article about the incident did not state what happened.

It's really frustrating when they do this. An article about "so and so was sexually assaulted" did not say what the sexual assault was. The only thing said was "he touched me from behind." Well? So? Touching people from behind is not assault, much less sexual assault, at least not necessarily.

If a person is going to make an allegation, then I would think that at least the allegation should be, if taken as true, an offense.

He told me a dirty joke, and he touched me. Oh, well, so what? Is there anything to see here?

If it were me, and I was claiming someone assaulted me, I would say what he did. I wouldn't just say "I was sexually assaulted because he touched me from behind" and leave it at that. Maybe she didn't. Maybe it's bad reporting on the topic. But, why wouldn't the reporter say where she was touched? And how she was touched? I mean, who, what, where, when, why and how - basic facts.

When these articles leave open such massive holes, it's hard to evaluate them. A 90 year old man in a wheelchair touched the woman. Even if he touched her ass, it is clearly reasonably possible that he just put his arm around her (as is common when taking photos with celebrities and famous figures) - since he's in a chair, his arm is more ass-level than shoulder level. Did he just bump her ass? Did his hand just land on it? Was it the side of the ass? Was it full on? Did he squeeze or did he just rest his hand there as if it was on her back and then pull it away?

This is not "casting doubt" on the victim - this is just trying to get the story straight.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:07 am

Hillary touched someone once too.
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Post by mistermack » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:56 am

I saw Michelle Obama touch the Queen once.

It displayed a lack of class. But then, we all lack class compared to her Maj. By definition. :D
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Re: George HW Bush Guilty of Sexual Assault

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:36 pm

O.k., now there is another woman accusing him of something -- http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/andre ... le/2638667

This time there is a more specific description. He tells a joke asking if people know who his favorite magician is, and he says "David Cop-a-Feel" and the woman says she felt his hand "dig into her flesh" of her buttocks. So, that, if true, is assault, and clearly inappropriate behavior. It seems likely true, since the apology coming out of the Bush camp was that he does tell a joke and "pats" women on the behind to "make them feel at ease."

Anyone of sound mind doing that should know that's a no-no when it comes to women. Nobody would care, like in the Christopher Hitchens/Maggie Thatcher example, if it happened to a man, but to a woman, that's a no-no, and it's not a new thing that it's a no-no. It's not been proper behavior ever.

Now, there is some suggestion that Mr. Bush may not be all there, given his medical condition and all, so there might be some slight allowance made for that, and this isn't the biggest deal in the world. But, it is wrong. If it was a younger guy, not in a wheelchair, not with Parkinsons, it would be a bigger deal.

I'm a bit surprised at Andrea Mitchell's response, but I do basically agree with her. What she's saying is that Bush, Sr. is an old, Parkinsons suffering, wheelchair bound guy who isn't playing with a full deck. Give the guy a break, don't mention it, and move on. Nobody was hurt here. There's assault and then there is assault. Technically, a football coach hitting a player's butt when he sends the kid out on the field, or smacking the side of his helmet to get his attention are assaults, too.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by mistermack » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:03 pm

Any minute now, someone will claim he grabbed her by the pussy.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:08 pm

And he would've got away with it too, if is wasn't for those pesky interfering kids.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:30 pm

mistermack wrote:I saw Michelle Obama touch the Queen once.

It displayed a lack of class. But then, we all lack class compared to her Maj. By definition. :D
A former Australian PM, a well known republican, put his arm across Maj's back years ago. The conservative press were having conniptions!
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Post by cronus » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:11 pm

Don't get much when your in a wheelchair. Still should have asked and all that.
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Re: George HW Bush Guilty of Sexual Assault

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:23 pm

Crumple wrote:Don't get much when your in a wheelchair. Still should have asked and all that.
...asking is sexual harassment.
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Post by cronus » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:46 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Crumple wrote:Don't get much when your in a wheelchair. Still should have asked and all that.
...asking is sexual harassment.
...from behind it is...thing about a wheelchair is it moves. :coffee:
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Re: George HW Bush Guilty of Sexual Assault

Post by mistermack » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:56 pm

So do you have to wait to be asked for sex now, if all other approaches are either harassment or molestation?
Actually, if you WERE asked, then YOU were harassed. :prof:

So it's now official. There can be no sex without harassment.

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Re: George HW Bush Guilty of Sexual Assault

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:15 pm

Men can't be harassed. Men are the oppressors. Just as women cannot be sexist, they likewise cannot sexually harass a man.

All sex is rape, due to the power imbalance between men and women.

This is basic stuff here, guys!
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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