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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:24 pm

Feck wrote:The levels of hypocrisy are overwhelming .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41589352
Well, in fairness to Affleck, a little side-boob tweak is not quite what Weinstein is accused of.

That being said, Hilarie Burton might wind up suffering some feminist punishment for suggesting that "some women like a good boob tweakage..." - 3, 2, 1 for the feminist activists claiming that she declared that some women actually like to be assaulted by having their boobs tweaked without their consent....

...no comment from the other faction that says that women's and men's boobs are the same, and that equal treatment means that women and men's chests should be treated the same -- I mean, nobody would take Ben Affleck seriously if he complained that a woman put her hand on his chest without asking first.... :{D
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:28 pm

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Tyrannical wrote:Should get more interesting as more and more people talk, and then those people make more and more excuses for not talking earlier.
Weinstein. That's a Jewish name, isn't it? And wouldn't you think that makes him guilty?
Not in the US. Apparently, Jews control everything here, including the government. It's either that, or the US controls Israel and the Jews and use them to do our bidding. Depends on the day.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:45 pm

Rum wrote:The outrage does seem somewhat out of proportion. He may be a slimeball, but headline news?
It's the celebrity factor - the women he apparently did things to or with are popular celebs, and he is very well known in terms of the movies he made. I think Miramax did the Lord of the Rings, didn't they? They did Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, Clerks, Good Will Hunting, Chicago, No Country For Old Men.... and boatloads of others.

Ashley Judd reported this in 2015, without naming him - "In 2015, she first described the alleged incident without naming Weinstein: “He was very stealth and expert about it,” Judd told Variety. “He groomed me, which is a technical term—Oh, come meet at the hotel for something to eat. Fine, I show up. Oh, he’s actually in his room. I’m like, Are you kidding me? I just worked all night. I’m just going to order cereal. It went on in these stages. It was so disgusting. He physically lured me by saying, ‘Oh, help me pick out what I’m going to wear.’ There was a lot that happened between the point of entry and the bargaining. There was this whole process of bargaining—’Come do this, come do this, come do this.’ And I would say, ‘No, no, no.’ I have a feeling if this is online and people have the opportunity to post comments, a lot of the people will say, ‘Why didn’t you leave the room?’, which is victim-blaming. When I kept saying no to everything, there was a huge asymmetry of power and control in that room."

I had an interview once, ages and ages ago, for some sort of sales-related position - way back when I was, I think, looking for my first post-collegiate job. It was a female interviewer who held the interview in a hotel suite. She had flown in from out of town, and there was a one-room suite, with a work table/desk. I remember thinking it was odd. But, she never asked me to help her try on clothes or anything. I didn't make any move, nor did she, and i did not get the job.

I don't think "why didn't you leave the room?" is an unfair question, though, nor is it victim blaming. I think it's a reasonable question. There are plenty of reasonable answers to it. But, if some guy got me up to his hotel room for an interview, and then started obviously hitting on me by having me help him try on clothes, and bargaining for things, well, I would say that I'm not interested, and if he persisted I would excuse myself and leave. That's just what I would do.
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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:56 pm

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Rum wrote:You know exactly what a 'grope' is in this context.
Really?
I've been groped many times. Never did me any harm.
But groping by a female Weinstein would be a different matter.
It's all groping though.
Women are allowed to grope. It's not assault or harassment, it's a reward.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by devogue » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:25 pm

Forty Two wrote:
mistermack wrote:
Rum wrote:You know exactly what a 'grope' is in this context.
Really?
I've been groped many times. Never did me any harm.
But groping by a female Weinstein would be a different matter.
It's all groping though.
Women are allowed to grope. It's not assault or harassment, it's a reward.
It's weird, isn't it? I was groped by a woman on the Tube in London 20 years ago and I still get a raging hard on at the thought of it.

The big difference is that if I wanted it to stop I would have had no problem because I wasn't physically intimidated by her - if it was Fatima Whitbread doing it I might have felt differently.

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by Rum » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:27 pm

Forty Two wrote:
mistermack wrote:
Rum wrote:You know exactly what a 'grope' is in this context.
Really?
I've been groped many times. Never did me any harm.
But groping by a female Weinstein would be a different matter.
It's all groping though.
Women are allowed to grope. It's not assault or harassment, it's a reward.
I've never been groped. Clearly it depends on the circles one hangs around in. MM is 'old school labour' with cigar smoking dykes and the like, so it isn't surprising he was on the receiving end. I hung out with liberal feminist type Labour party members where the protocols involved prior to having any kind of sexual contact were long, arcane and fraught with traps and potentially catastrophic career destroying hazards.. :shifty:

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by Animavore » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:36 pm

Who the fuck said women are allowed grope men? I hate women grabbing me inappropriately out of nowhere. What a fucking pathetic justification of groping. Pointing out that someone else does/is 'allowed' do something does not excuse doing it oneself.

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by Rum » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:47 pm

Mistermack is of course British..sadly.

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

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I haven't seen the C H cover this week... but yeah, they can be pretty tasteless.
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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by Rum » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:15 pm

Well whatever he has or has not sone the current publicity and international opprobrium he is undergoing would sink most people. I find myself having just a bit of sympathy for what he must be going through emotionally at the moment.

Well I say that. He could be so thick skinned it doesn't bother him all that much. If it was me (which it wouldn't be!) I think I would probably just kill myself at this point.

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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by mistermack » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:50 am

While I'm quite prepared to believe that the guy is an asshole, you have to remember that actresses can be just as manipulative, and are often prepared to offer sex on a promise or hint of a big part. ;)

It's highly unlikely to always be a case of wicked predator man vs. little innocent girl. Not in Hollywood.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of the alleged incidents were more a case of him not delivering on what the 'victim' thought she was promised, while he thought he got away with a bit of bullshit getting him some free sex.

There's nothing illegal about making promises you don't mean to keep, to get some girl to drop her knickers.
Basically, it's just conning a prostitute into performing for nothing.

One of the perks of being famous is, money for nothing, and your chicks for free.
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Re: The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:34 am

Forty Two wrote: I don't think "why didn't you leave the room?" is an unfair question, though, nor is it victim blaming. I think it's a reasonable question. There are plenty of reasonable answers to it. But, if some guy got me up to his hotel room for an interview, and then started obviously hitting on me by having me help him try on clothes, and bargaining for things, well, I would say that I'm not interested, and if he persisted I would excuse myself and leave. That's just what I would do.
But you're not an actor who is on the deficit side of a massive power balance. It's a totally different situation to him and actresses.
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