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Post by Animavore » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:57 pm

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Post by Tero » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:01 pm

50% either support or "don't care" about there being neo-nazis
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:18 pm

Animavore wrote:Image

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There's probably an element of truth to that..
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Post by Animavore » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:22 pm

I remember when Fight Club came out some of the lads in my town actually started a fight club, using the same rules from the movie (They didn't hold to them very well :lol: ). I suspect these "macho" idiots in the Alt Right would similarly miss the point of that movie.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:24 pm

Some entertaining reading (well I thought so, anyway) on one facet of the philosophical/spiritual impedimenta the alt-right is adopting.

'Hindu Eschatology and the Reactionary Mind'
The alt-right is making the Kali Yuga its own. Prominent alt-right websites feature essays citing South Asian religious texts and warning that Aryan prophets foretold the moral dysfunction and coming destruction of the modern world. On Twitter, Tumblr and other social media outlets, semi-ironic memes calling on readers to “Surf the Kali Yuga” circulate, sometimes embedded with Nazi imagery. Discussions of the Kali Yuga are part of the alt-right’s larger strategy of appropriating exotic, esoteric and often deliberately wacky vocabulary and iconography from other discourses. It has been effective. By regularly denouncing such alt-right symbols as Pepe the cartoon frog, groups like the Anti-Defamation League or the Southern Poverty Law Center risk coming across as peevish, paranoid, or simply confused to those who are either unaware of these images or familiar with them from other, non-political contexts.

But the Kali Yuga is more than a new addition to the alt-right’s arsenal of “meme magic.” Since the early twentieth-century, far-right thinkers have been adopting South Asian eschatologies for their own political ends. Figures who sympathized with fascism and regretted its defeat in the Second World War, like the Italian philosopher Julius Evola (1989-1974) and the Franco-Greek convert to Hinduism Savitri Devi (1905-1982), promoted the idea that the contemporary West is undergoing a final collapse that will end with a purifying ordeal and the emergence of a heroic new order. Contemptuous of Christianity, which, like Friedrich Nietzsche they saw as a Semitic religion that promoted weakness, Evola and Devi were fascinated by the polytheistic traditions of South Asia. They drew on Hindu sacred texts to construct a vision of the world in which the current Kali Yuga, the dark age of hedonism and materialism, was soon to be destroyed by Kalki.
Devi harbored some exceptionally whacky beliefs, including the idea that Kalki would be a reincarnation of Hitler.

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Post by mistermack » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:02 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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There are white gangsters and black gangsters. My point was that there are a lot more black gangsters, for their numbers, than whites. It's backed up by the facts. Maybe an unfortunate fact for your blinkered campaign against reality.
I'd be interested in checking out those facts for myself, or reading what you might offer by way of qualification.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:24 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:Some entertaining reading (well I thought so, anyway) on one facet of the philosophical/spiritual impedimenta the alt-right is adopting.

'Hindu Eschatology and the Reactionary Mind'
The alt-right is making the Kali Yuga its own. Prominent alt-right websites feature essays citing South Asian religious texts and warning that Aryan prophets foretold the moral dysfunction and coming destruction of the modern world. On Twitter, Tumblr and other social media outlets, semi-ironic memes calling on readers to “Surf the Kali Yuga” circulate, sometimes embedded with Nazi imagery. Discussions of the Kali Yuga are part of the alt-right’s larger strategy of appropriating exotic, esoteric and often deliberately wacky vocabulary and iconography from other discourses. It has been effective. By regularly denouncing such alt-right symbols as Pepe the cartoon frog, groups like the Anti-Defamation League or the Southern Poverty Law Center risk coming across as peevish, paranoid, or simply confused to those who are either unaware of these images or familiar with them from other, non-political contexts.

But the Kali Yuga is more than a new addition to the alt-right’s arsenal of “meme magic.” Since the early twentieth-century, far-right thinkers have been adopting South Asian eschatologies for their own political ends. Figures who sympathized with fascism and regretted its defeat in the Second World War, like the Italian philosopher Julius Evola (1989-1974) and the Franco-Greek convert to Hinduism Savitri Devi (1905-1982), promoted the idea that the contemporary West is undergoing a final collapse that will end with a purifying ordeal and the emergence of a heroic new order. Contemptuous of Christianity, which, like Friedrich Nietzsche they saw as a Semitic religion that promoted weakness, Evola and Devi were fascinated by the polytheistic traditions of South Asia. They drew on Hindu sacred texts to construct a vision of the world in which the current Kali Yuga, the dark age of hedonism and materialism, was soon to be destroyed by Kalki.
Devi harbored some exceptionally whacky beliefs, including the idea that Kalki would be a reincarnation of Hitler.
The "wacky vocabularly"... That's funny, as I used to hear most of the alt-right terms first from DaveDodo (not so much lately, as his mum seems to have locked him in the basement without internet), but in most cases have no idea what they mean. It's not till weeks or months later when I start seeing them written in more and more articles shared by less wacko forum members like 42 and others, that I realise what Dodo was talking about. Cuck is a weird one, but the one that took me the longest to get official confirmation was 'red-pill'. Dave introduced me to that term many months before I heard it out of another person. The more he used it the more I assumed it was to do with the scene in the Matrix, but I've only just recently heard it confirmed. What a bunch of fucking weirdos! :lol:
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:30 am

pErvin wrote:The "wacky vocabularly"... That's funny, as I used to hear most of the alt-right terms first from DaveDodo (not so much lately, as his mum seems to have locked him in the basement without internet), but in most cases have no idea what they mean. It's not till weeks or months later when I start seeing them written in more and more articles shared by less wacko forum members like 42 and others, that I realise what Dodo was talking about. Cuck is a weird one, but the one that took me the longest to get official confirmation was 'red-pill'. Dave introduced me to that term many months before I heard it out of another person. The more he used it the more I assumed it was to do with the scene in the Matrix, but I've only just recently heard it confirmed. What a bunch of fucking weirdos! :lol:
The 'red pill' thing as used by Dodo comes from the world of MRA. Of course there is an intersection between MRA and alt-right, mentioned in an article I linked in this thread several pages ago. Also see 'Men’s-Rights Activists Are Finding a New Home With the Alt-Right'

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:35 am

The Pepe children's book has been withdrawn, in a disgusting display of contempt for freedom of speech.

'Pepe the Frog cartoonist forces withdrawal of 'alt-right' children's book'
The cartoonist who created Pepe the Frog has taken legal action to force the author of a self-published children’s book that uses the character to espouse “racist, Islamophobic and hate-filled themes” to give all of his profits to a Muslim advocacy organisation.

Pepe, created by Matt Furie in the early 2000s as a “peaceful frog-dude” with the catchphrase “feels good man”, was adopted as a symbol by supporters of the US “alt-right” last year. He has since been designated by the Anti-Defamation League as a hate symbol, but Furie has been attempting to end the association, even killing off the character in one comic strip and subsequently launching a Kickstarter to raise money to “save Pepe”.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:03 pm

'Unite the Right' in Charlottesville didn't go exactly to plan:

"In Chat Rooms, 'Alt-Right' Organizers Planned to Obscure Their Racism"
Organizers of the Unite the Right rally had a clear plan, according to the group’s chat and conference calls: Avoid obvious neo-Nazi and Ku Klux Klan symbols. Appeal to the white, conservative mainstream. Don’t start violence, but feel free to provoke it.

The group’s best-laid plans failed spectacularly, unraveled by organizers’ inability to control the Charlottesville, Virginia, crowd that had been whipped up into a frenzy by the rhetoric of the white nationalist movement.

A review of the chat logs and audio recordings by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting shows that the event’s organizers worked to obscure the most racist elements of their movement from public view, yet did not want to repudiate it internally.

“Going up to MSNBC and them interviewing you saying we should kill every non-white on the planet – I don’t necessarily have an issue with listening to that on a podcast or whatever, but if you are going to do something like that, even if it’s your true belief, that’s not the objective of this rally,” Unite the Right organizer Eli Mosley said during a conference call in the days leading up to the Aug. 12 event.

“The objective is to gain sympathy for a pro-white rally and against an erasure of history and this communist shit that we all are aware of,” 
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Post by Animavore » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:09 pm

"Gain sympathy" :hilarious:
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:15 pm

Yeah, the nazis can't gain power unless they have the sympathy of the silent majority...
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:42 pm

In the latest installment of the story about the deplorable internet censorship of the alt-right and their friends--

'The founder of white supremacist website Stormfront says he can't bring it back online'
The white supremacist website Stormfront.org is struggling to get back online.

Its founder, former Ku Klux Klan chief Don Black, has complained that the website is down after the domain registrar Network Solutions yanked the domain and that he's also unable to transfer the domain to another provider.

The website has been offline since [last] Friday.

Via his radio show on Monday, Black said Network Solutions had "taken it upon themselves to censor anybody they want." He added: "Late Friday, without any notice, they didn't even send me an email — they decided that Stormfront was politically incorrect and therefore they could close it down.

"Not only did they close the domain name — I can't even transfer it. I can't even try to transfer it to another registrar because they can do whatever they want."
There is some hope that free speech will eventually prevail, though.

'The Internet of Hate: After Charlottesville, Nazis, white supremacists, and the alt-right have become a lot less welcome on the web. So they’re building their own.'
It’s not easy to build an internet. We may think of the web as an abstract, open field owned by no one in particular—a legend grounded in its origin as a government project, as well as our tendency to imagine its hard-wiring the way we do other communications infrastructure, like cable or radio airwaves. But the internet is really a series of core services, most of them privately owned and managed, that host content and give users directions to find it. If those core service providers don’t want something on the internet, they can do a pretty good job of disappearing it.

If the alt-right wants to escape the web that the rest of us live on, the platforms of the alt-tech movement that Gab has ignited will, for one, need to find domain name registries that will work with them. But already major companies like GoDaddy and Namecheap have decided to refuse service to sites like the Daily Stormer—a change from these companies’ long-running stance of generally not interfering with what customers decide to run on their websites.

Alt-right sites have other, more underground options, like using an unnamed, raw numerical address, or trying to find sympathetic managers of top-level domains outside the U.S., or going to the dark web, a part of the internet where websites can be hosted anonymously but are only accessible via a special browser, like Tor (that’s one thing the Daily Stormer did after being banned). If these websites hope to be publicly accessible, they will also need to find hosting, as well as shielding from technical attacks, like DDoS protection. But even Cloudflare, a web services company that specializes in defense against distributed denial of service, or DDoS, attacks and is famous for not discriminating against clients, decided to pull support for the Daily Stormer after Charlottesville, too. So while it’s not impossible for the alt-tech movement to grow into something bigger, if the big web service companies like domain registrars, security providers, and app stores refuse to do business with them even before they build their own systems, it’s not going to be easy.

It also takes resources.

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