We need to talk about Donald: the cursing & swearing thread

[JimC]

I did say they had similarities, and they both are enemies of freedom. However, it is sheer intellectual laziness to call them the "same"

[Sean Hayden]

Christ, math teachers, right? Always with the show your work shit!

[pErvinalia]

Well, I was kind of hoping to focus on the problem of American workers being pussies, who'd happily secure their masters desires at the expense of their own.

But, ya know, nazis.

Can you translate that into English in a way that addresses the question I asked you (specifically about your "better way" to deal with the loony right problem)?

[pErvinalia]

In Oz, I get the feeling that at least some of the anti-fa demonstrators are not really in it for ideological reasons, but because they get a buzz out of street fighting, and the whole tribal "them vs us" thing...

You and others need to stop conflating antifa with black-block. They are totally different groups.

I am, in particular, referencing the violent counter-protests against the anti-Islamic protests that have been common in both Melbourne and Sydney. The masked and violent protestors of the left were anti-fa, I'm fairly sure...

Antifa is a distinct movement that opposes the ideology of fascism. To say they aren't in it for ideological reasons is nonsensical. That they might punch on from time to time doesn't have any bearing on whether they are in it for ideological reasons or not.

[Sean Hayden]

Can you translate that into English in a way that addresses the question I asked you (specifically about your "better way" to deal with the loony right problem)?

-no

[pErvinalia]

[Sean Hayden]

I don't have everything figured out perv. You could interpret my response to mean that I'm still saying nazis aren't that big a deal, I wish we could proceed by addressing our much bigger problems, are we focusing on nazis for some other reason?

Yadda, yadda, but christ, do I really want to have this discussion with you?

Can you translate that into English in a way that addresses the question I asked you (specifically about your "better way" to deal with the loony right problem)?

[pErvinalia]

It would help if communicated more clearly. You say there is a better way to deal with the loony right problem, and when asked what that better way is you reply with a barely coherent statement about workers. What do you expect is going to happen when you communicate like that?

[Sean Hayden]

Do you want a hug?

[JimC]

In Oz, I get the feeling that at least some of the anti-fa demonstrators are not really in it for ideological reasons, but because they get a buzz out of street fighting, and the whole tribal "them vs us" thing...

You and others need to stop conflating antifa with black-block. They are totally different groups.

I am, in particular, referencing the violent counter-protests against the anti-Islamic protests that have been common in both Melbourne and Sydney. The masked and violent protestors of the left were anti-fa, I'm fairly sure...

Antifa is a distinct movement that opposes the ideology of fascism. To say they aren't in it for ideological reasons is nonsensical. That they might punch on from time to time doesn't have any bearing on whether they are in it for ideological reasons or not.

The movement obviously has an ideology, and a commitment to opposing fascism, fair enough. But many of its actual members seem to be in it for the pleasure of the street fighting (or at least that is a big part of their motivation). Protests against fascists and/or the anti-Islamic mob tend to degenerate into running street battles. You might not object to that, but what it does is alienate the majority of people who see it on the TV news - they will say a "pox on both your houses", an attitude which encourages the likes of Trump into saying that both sides are as bad as each other. A careful analysis will show the lie to this in terms of the evil of the racist/Nazi movement, but the overall public impression of such events being no different to rival gangs of soccer hoodlums beating each other up will still remain.

[pErvinalia]

How do you know that they are in it for the pleasure of fighting? I put it to you that you are basically taking a guess.

[Brian Peacock]

Thanks dude, should I be worried about these nazis though?

You probably should be worried. If not for yourself, for your fellow citizens who are coloured or Jews. Unless you don't care about those types..

We've been dealing with these nut jobs for ages. They ain't getting their shit together. I provided reasons for believing this will never happen. Our response as a country should further ease any anxiety you may feel.

The right answer to the question I posed before about what to do ensure my family's safety may have been, "vote Democrat", and that's just about what I think of all this. Good for them too, I guess. But also fuck them, fuck the theater.

Your posts don't make a lot of sense. The loony right is growing in the US. They are weaponed up and aren't afraid to kill people. And they target minorities. That's what I'm saying to you. You appear to not give a fuck solely for the reason that you aren't a minority, so who gives a fuck, right?

It occurred to me that this sounds a lot like the complaints from some quarters about 'the Marxist left' controlling the media or college campuses etc. That's not a criticism, nor is it intended to imply a normative, i just think that we should take a good, hard look at those urging us to define what we stand against and then to take sides accordingly.

[Hermit]

They believe that the right for anyone to preach any shit, no matter how toxic and demonstrably evil, unimpeded is more important than growing a spine and facing down that evil.

Face the fascists down, sure, but I am not comfortable in denying anyone the right to voice an opinion (short of inciting violence) on the grounds that it is evil. Once employed to deny the right of people to speak their minds, the definition of evil has a habit of encompassing an increasing range of opinions.

[Scot Dutchy]

Nazism is a form of Communism, maybe not in the mechanics, but the outcome is identical and should be seen as the threat it is. Saying that violence feeds on itself and should be avoided lest good men become the monsters they are trying to prevent. Direct action sites say pacifism and non-violent disobediance is the most likely to succeed method of bringing political change....

Ancient political theory from the sixties . The political spectrum was not linear but a circular. where right and left met. The trouble was the communism then was that of the Soviet Union which had nothing to do with real communism. This is also the theory that seams to be prevalent in Trump's brain cell.

It has long been debunked as there is no room left in the spectrum for more extreme groups especially on the right. World wide politics has move right but in America it is moving faster since the arrival of the orange scrotum.

[Animavore]

One of the main guys on the Vice video I posted makes a pathetic plea on YouTube after finding out there's a warrant for his arrest.

http://gayety.co/news/christopher-cantw ... ff5ad8dbb3