"Alt-right" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

[Hermit]

I am a centrist.

You say that as if it were a good thing.

I would still say that it is interfering with the historical authenticity of the statue

How does a statue lose historical authenticity at point B that it had at point A? Do you even know when it was placed where it currently is? Yes, it saw the light of day in 1924. Anyway, relocating the 3300 year old temples at Abu Simbel did nothing to detract from their historical authenticity. On the other hand, the allied powers went through great pains to wipe all traces of Hitler's bunker off the face of the earth, historical authenticity - even historical significance - notwithstanding.

...and is done for PC motives, which, although they may have the best of intentions, still remain unwise.

How is it unwise to relocate an insult to a less conspicuous spot? Do you really believe that your nebulous historical authenticity ought to prevail?

[Animavore]

The failure of Trump to condemn home grown, white terrorist.

http://billmoyers.com/story/charlottesville-goddam/

[NineBerry]

All I know is I would not be happy if someone tried put up a statue of Oliver Cromwell or King Billy in Dublin.
I know which side I take here.

Which is quite a different matter to removing an existing historical one - if you read my earlier post, I indicated that adding flags or monuments to reviled historical figures now, for dodgy political reasons, could fairly be opposed. But there are heaps of statues around the world, erected in past times, of people now frowned upon. Should they all be torn down to usher in a bright, shiny future?

It happens all the time. Eastern Europe saw a lot of statues removed after the fall of communism. Would you demand Poles keep status of Stalin and Marx at their central places? The Lee status was erected long after his death. What uniform is he wearing in the statue? Is it the uniform of the Confederate army? Why show him wearing this uniform?

[mistermack]

People rarely are pure evil or pure good. I do not doubt that General Lee was at his core an honourable man who, as Lacky mentioned, served in the U.S. Army, with distinction, for 32 years and was as anti-slavery as a white, wealthy Southerner could be at the time, but none of that negates his military activities as a principal defender of slavery. Erwin Rommel too was an honourable man. Beginning in 1911, he served the German army with distinction for 33 years, and he was as anti-Nazi as a career soldier in the German army could have at the time. I would still understand German-Jews getting quite upset if there were any monuments in prominent public places commemorating him.

Since when did German Jews and Blacks have a veto on statues?
All sorts of assholes have statues of them around the place.

I would piss on Thatcher's and Churchill's and Bomber Harris's if I had the chance, but I don't really care that they're there, and I wouldn't whine if they took down Mandela's.

If you think you can change something with a lump of stone you're an idiot. Let the idiots play. Who cares.
Wasn't Lincoln also fond of a slave or two? Or maybe it was George Washington, or some other bit of statue fodder.

The slaves are all dead, and so are all the WW2 victims. Fuck the wankers who think they have a right to get offended on their behalf.

There are probably statues of Custer about. How awful to offend those native Americans.

[Brian Peacock]

The historical facts are one thing, the idolising of a historical figure as representing a better time, when white was right and strange fruit hung from the poplars, is another.

[Scot Dutchy]

You have some nice statues in Dublin:

The Floozy in the Jacuzzi



The Trollop with the Scollop



The Fag on the Crag

[mistermack]

The historical facts are one thing, the idolising of a historical figure as representing a better time, when white was right and strange fruit hung from the poplars, is another.

People can idolise what they like, and you don't have to agree with them.

It's the old freedom of speech thing, in stone.

Freedom of speech is freedom to offend some people.
Freedom from offence is cutting off other people's freedom of speech.
You can't have it all.

To me, if the intention is just to cause trouble, then it's grounds for a ban. But it's a very grey area.
Lee's statue wouldn't come under that heading for me. Nor would Thatcher's, or Bomber Harris's.

And in any case, if they're not there, you can't piss on them.

[Animavore]

There did used to be a statue of Nelson in Dublin, but the IRA blew it up.

[Svartalf]

Where is the Floozie in the Jacuzzi now? last time I saw her she was on O Connell street right in front of the old Post Office, but it's obvious she's been moved.

[Svartalf]

There did used to be a statue of Nelson in Dublin, but the IRA blew it up.

and good riddance says I

[Brian Peacock]

The historical facts are one thing, the idolising of a historical figure as representing a better time, when white was right and strange fruit hung from the poplars, is another.

People can idolise what they like, and you don't have to agree with them.

It's the old freedom of speech thing, in stone.

Freedom of speech is freedom to offend some people.
Freedom from offence is cutting off other people's freedom of speech.
You can't have it all.

To me, if the intention is just to cause trouble, then it's grounds for a ban. But it's a very grey area.
Lee's statue wouldn't come under that heading for me. Nor would Thatcher's, or Bomber Harris's.

And in any case, if they're not there, you can't piss on them.

A fair point I suppose, if you accept that people have a free speech right to claim a land for the exclusive use of a group with a particular skin tone.

[Scot Dutchy]

Where is the Floozie in the Jacuzzi now? last time I saw her she was on O Connell street right in front of the old Post Office, but it's obvious she's been moved.

Now in Croppies Memorial Park. Gets less pissed in. On O Connell street after a Saturday night the jacuzzi was full of piss.

[laklak]

Wasn't Lincoln also fond of a slave or two? Or maybe it was George Washington, or some other bit of statue fodder.

The slaves are all dead, and so are all the WW2 victims. Fuck the wankers who think they have a right to get offended on their behalf.

There are probably statues of Custer about. How awful to offend those native Americans.

That was Honest George Washington.

In the Genocide Sweepstakes the native Americans are the real winners. Wonder how the Cherokee, Choctaw, Seminole, et. al. feel every time they spend a $20 bill with that picture of Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson on them? He killed a metric shitload of them because he considered them sub-human scum. He self-described as an "Indian Fighter", meaning he liked razing villages and such like.

[laklak]

"Damnit Billy Bob, them niggers is all frothed up 'bout that ol' statute of Marse Robert"

"Jes move it over yonder, Cletus, they's be back to their malt liquor directly, them jigaboos caint think 'bout nothin for too long"

I'll admit my bias, I was raised to see Robert E. Lee as the finest gentleman the Old South ever produced. I've probably got a children's book about his life somewhere.

[pErvinalia]

Bomb the cunt!