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[Forty Two]

God is good. A world without evil would be boring as hell. Who would want to live there?

I would. A world without evil can be plenty fun. I get no enjoyment from the evil in the world.

Look at video games, movies, novels. All are about crime, suffering, war, unfulfilled love, etc.

Oh, well, that doesn't sound evil. video games, movies and novels, even if they are about crime and suffering an war and unfulfilled love, are not evil. Violent crime is evil, war is evil, suffering is evil and such, but making art about it is not.

People want that. A world without evil would be so boring that people living in one would conclude that "God cannot exist because why the fuck would he create us for this doll fuck boring life?!?"

I could have a lot of fun. I'd still get to have a few too many ales while having pointless conversations around a bonfire on Friday night. :Like Zac Brown says:

You know I like my chicken fried
Cold beer on a Friday night
A pair of jeans that fit just right
And the radio up
Well I was raised up beneath the shade of a Georgia pine
And that's home you know
With sweet tea, pecan pie and homemade wine
Where the peaches grow
And my house it's not much to talk about
But it's filled with love that's grown in southern ground
And a little bit of chicken fried
Cold beer on a Friday night
A pair of jeans that fit just right
And the radio up
Well I've seen the sunrise
See the love in my woman's eyes
Feel the touch of a precious child
And know a mother's love
And its funny how it's the little things in life that mean the most
Not where you live, what you drive or the price tag on your clothes
There's no dollar sign on a piece of mind; this I've come to know
So if you agree have a drink with me
Raise your glasses for a toast
To a little bit of chicken fried
Cold beer on a Friday night
A pair of jeans that fit just right
And the radio up
Well I've seen the sunrise
See the love in my woman's eyes
Feel the touch of a precious child
And know a mother's love
I thank god for my life
And for the stars and stripes
May freedom forever fly, let it ring.
Salute the ones who died
And the ones that gave their lives so we don't have to sacrifice
All the things we love
Like our chicken fried
Cold beer on a Friday night
A pair of jeans that fit just right
And the radio up
Well I've seen the sunrise
See the love in my woman's eyes
Feel the touch of a precious child
And know a mother's love
You know I like my chicken fried
Cold beer on a Friday night
A pair of jeans that fit just right
And the radio up
Well I've seen the sunrise
See the love in my woman's eyes
Feel the touch of a precious child
And know a mother's love

[Rum]

God is good. A world without evil would be boring as hell. Who would want to live there? Look at video games, movies, novels. All are about crime, suffering, war, unfulfilled love, etc. People want that. A world without evil would be so boring that people living in one would conclude that "God cannot exist because why the fuck would he create us for this doll fuck boring life?!?"

I see it more in terms of 'conflict' rather than good and evil. Conflict is in our nature.

[NineBerry]

Because God put it there, because the world would be boring as fuck without.

[Brian Peacock]

Life is struggle. Life is pain. And if you become a Buddhist you can do it all again.

[Hermit]

God is good. A world without evil would be boring as hell.

Crap. You don't need a god or evil to know the difference between the joy of eating lobster and the pain of food poisoning, between digging a trench and going fishing, between reading a good book and being subjected to insufferable propaganda, between...

ETA: OK, OK, you're just trolling, aren't you?

[Svartalf]

Life is struggle. Life is pain. And if you become a Buddhist you can do it all again.

Actually it's the hindus who do it again and again ad infinitum ad nauseam, the buddhists try to get away from the cycle of pain.

[Forty Two]

Because God put it there, because the world would be boring as fuck without.

But if God created a world without evil in it, then God's creation would still be perfect, and therefore not boring. God, the all powerful creator, could create a non-evil world which was not boring - couldn't God do that? Or, is he incapable of doing so?

[Brian Peacock]

Life is struggle. Life is pain. And if you become a Buddhist you can do it all again.

Actually it's the hindus who do it again and again ad infinitum ad nauseam, the buddhists try to get away from the cycle of pain.

Holy cow, you're right! But I still think that 'Buddhist' scans better.

[Svartalf]

Because God put it there, because the world would be boring as fuck without.

But if God created a world without evil in it, then God's creation would still be perfect, and therefore not boring. God, the all powerful creator, could create a non-evil world which was not boring - couldn't God do that? Or, is he incapable of doing so?

god is fucking imperfect to start with, the OT is full of its mistake, and its evil, that the chretins try to whitewash with the human/god sacrifice of Jesus, forgetting that Jesus did not need to die to help us and that two wrongs don't make a right.

[NineBerry]

I do actually believe that a life without bad stuff would also miss out all the good stuff. What would be the joy of enjoying a cold beer after work when you don't have to work? We enjoy eating only because there is the danger of hunger. And so on. This is my take on the question of Good and Evil. And there is a twist. Because if the religious argument is true that a God is okay to have created evil because a world without evil would also not contain any good, then you can go on to ask them whether Heaven/ Paradise is possible.

[Forty Two]

I do actually believe that a life without bad stuff would also miss out all the good stuff. What would be the joy of enjoying a cold beer after work when you don't have to work? We enjoy eating only because there is the danger of hunger. And so on. This is my take on the question of Good and Evil. And there is a twist. Because if the religious argument is true that a God is okay to have created evil because a world without evil would also not contain any good, then you can go on to ask them whether Heaven/ Paradise is possible.

Work isn't "bad stuff," necessarily. It can be, but mine isn't, yet, I still enjoy a cold beer.

We enjoy eating because the food tastes good. I don't enjoy eating when I'm really, really hungry - someone who is in danger because of hunger doesn't "enjoy" eating. They eat to survive, which is not enjoyable. The enjoyment of eating comes from eating that which is more of a luxury - a fine dinner - specially seasoned food, cooked with care, in combination with particularly appropriate beverages and sides. If one diets and starves oneself, then eating isn't a pleasure - it's a chore. If one is truly in danger of starvation, then eating is a ravenous affair - without enjoyment.

There are also degrees of good and bad. Do we need a world with Ebola and AIDS to understand pain and suffering? Really? A God can create the universe, but that universe, to be of any enjoyment to us, must have people being eaten alive by flesh eating bacteria? They have to die in agonizing pain from cancer?

Evil and good are just words used to describe things we like and don't like. Is pain evil or good? To some, certain pains feel great - like when done in sexual activities. To others, it's not good. Killing without justification is evil - killing with justification, like in self-defense, is good -- well, not if you're Amish, in which case even killing in self-defense is evil. So, it all depends. Which evil must exist for there to be good?

The answer is that nothing is good or evil, but that thinking makes it so. Is it "evil" for a Tiger to kill a baby elephant for food? No. It's just what Tigers do. They are a predator. It's neither good, nor evil. So, why is it necessary to exist in a world created by God?

[pErvinalia]

I do actually believe that a life without bad stuff would also miss out all the good stuff. What would be the joy of enjoying a cold beer after work when you don't have to work? We enjoy eating only because there is the danger of hunger. And so on. This is my take on the question of Good and Evil. And there is a twist. Because if the religious argument is true that a God is okay to have created evil because a world without evil would also not contain any good, then you can go on to ask them whether Heaven/ Paradise is possible.

Work isn't "bad stuff," necessarily. It can be, but mine isn't, yet, I still enjoy a cold beer.

We enjoy eating because the food tastes good. I don't enjoy eating when I'm really, really hungry - someone who is in danger because of hunger doesn't "enjoy" eating.

Why am I not surprised that you are apparently totally different from the rest of us? Of course we fucking enjoy eating when we are really hungry. What a stupid thing to say.

[NineBerry]

I a world without all of the really bad stuff, the little uncomfortable stuff would seem to be really bad to us.

[Brian Peacock]

In a world without all of the really bad stuff, the little uncomfortable stuff would seem to be really bad to us.

Yeah, it's a relative thing. On Saturday I attended an event at which Tanzanian albinos recounted in song and word how they are shunned by their families and isolated from their communities at birth, how many of those who do not succumb to infanticide are dumped on the so-called 'Albino Island' on lake Victoria (Ukerewe Island) as children and left to fend for themselves, and how some are hunted and hacked to death for their body parts, which are said to bring great fortune to those who possess them. The pain and the strain on my back, hips, and knees of sitting crossed-legged for an hour to listen to their stories is not offset by the horror of their everyday experience, but it is a trivial kind of suffering by comparison. At the end of the event I could stand, and stretch, and walk away, whereas they remained forever Tanzanian albinos. Banishing that kind of gross evil would definitely improve the world, and doing so wouldn't make our little uncomfortable stuff seem any worse either.

http://www.standingvoice.org/

[NineBerry]

Yes, it would! Believe me!