We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

[Animavore]

Are you now arguing that the sea-level IS rising? You were saying it hasn't risen on your last post.

[mistermack]

Are you now arguing that the sea-level IS rising? You were saying it hasn't risen on your last post.

It's tiny, and not detectable by the naked eye over the last 20 years. It's also been happening over seven thousand years, and even your own graph shows no change in trends since 1880.

[Woodbutcher]

It's rather obvious that mm never read the article, as it clearly states that the reason for the observed rise is thermal expansion due to increased temperatures and climate change caused by increase in CO2.

[Hermit]

Just for balance, here is the wikipedia graph for sea levels since the current ice age entered the present inter-glacial stage.



Note that even after melting levelled off, seven thousand years ago, the level has continued to rise at a steady but very gradual rate, since the late stone age, through the bronze age and iron age, and into the industrial age till today. Note that sea level is in METRES on the graph.

CO2 levels only started to rise significantly around 1950.

Believe it or not, climatologists are aware of the cyclically occurring ice ages. They are also aware of others, such as the El Niño, the Milankovitch Cycles and a number of other non-anthropogenic factors. And they control for them.

[mistermack]

It's rather obvious that mm never read the article, as it clearly states that the reason for the observed rise is thermal expansion due to increased temperatures and climate change caused by increase in CO2.

And how did the similar rise happen, up to 1950, when CO2 levels were minimal?

The article is clearly bollocks.

[Animavore]

Just for balance, here is the wikipedia graph for sea levels since the current ice age entered the present inter-glacial stage.



Note that even after melting levelled off, seven thousand years ago, the level has continued to rise at a steady but very gradual rate, since the late stone age, through the bronze age and iron age, and into the industrial age till today. Note that sea level is in METRES on the graph.

CO2 levels only started to rise significantly around 1950.

Believe it or not, climatologists are aware of the cyclically occurring ice ages. They are also aware of others, such as the El Niño, the Milankovitch Cycles and a number of other non-anthropogenic factors. And they control for them.

Indeed. It's actually because of climate scientists we know of these things in the first place. Without climate science we wouldn't have any tools or cherry picked sets of data for denialists to use.

Ironic.

[Animavore]

Trump's campaign of fear continues.

https://www.indy100.com/article/mass-sh ... sm-7715311

[mistermack]

It's actually because of climate scientists we know of these things in the first place. Without climate science we wouldn't have any tools or cherry picked sets of data for denialists to use.

Ironic.

If it wasn't for climate scientists, nobody would have a clue that there was anything wrong.
A few glaciers melted a bit.

[Animavore]

It's actually because of climate scientists we know of these things in the first place. Without climate science we wouldn't have any tools or cherry picked sets of data for denialists to use.

Ironic.

If it wasn't for climate scientists, nobody would have a clue that there was anything wrong.
A few glaciers melted a bit.

Yes. Nobody would have a clue there was anything wrong. And you propose moves that make us blind to danger. It's funny you don't even realise how stupid your arguments are. Thankfully there are grown ups who understand the issue. Unfortunately not in the White House. At least until 2020 when this disgusting and dangerous administration is fucked out on its ear and kicked back to the 1900s where it belongs.

[Animavore]

Trump admits universal healthcare is better than what America has.

https://www.google.ie/amp/amp.timeinc.n ... urce%3Ddam

Days without making a complete and utter spectacle of himself and his country reset to zero for the 103rd day in a row.

[pErvinalia]

Right now, everyone is an activist, not a scientist.

Do you have any evidence to support this?

Yeah. He hasn't noticed the sea rising at his local creek.

[Scot Dutchy]

Can we move the raising sea levels to another thread.

[pErvinalia]

Getting back to Donald Trump, the subject of the thread, I would like to see him back up his electoral statements by slashing the budgets for the climate change industry.
Pay them on results. Like sea level rises or warmer winters.

The tide rushes up the Severn, two miles from where I live, twice a day. There is no sign whatsoever that it rises any more, or reaches any further.
And the winters haven't changed in the last 20 years. Nor the summers.

Who needs science when one has anecdote?

[pErvinalia]

Are you now arguing that the sea-level IS rising? You were saying it hasn't risen on your last post.

Yeah. The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

[Animavore]

Right now, everyone is an activist, not a scientist.

Do you have any evidence to support this?

Yeah. He hasn't noticed the sea rising at his local creek.

I have, however, noticed rising tides. The rushes of the local beach are being eroded away and mini cliffs as high as 15 feet have appeared. A few houses at the top of the beach have lay down rubble to stop further erosion.

Of course this anecdotal evidence on it's own means nothing. It could be a local phenomena. MM, however, would have to either accept this evidence as equal to his, even though it contradicts his, or admit that more data is needed.

He can't have both.