pErvin wrote:What's so fucking hilarious (not) about all this, is that we've all had this same fucking argument with you before (before your dishonest bait-switch scam from CES to 42). You really are fucking clueless, and your utter shamelessness at refusing to admit that you are constantly wrong is embarrassment off the scale.
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=42144
LOL - this is your example?
It's a thread mostly involving discussion among CES, Warren Dew, Seth, Crumple, etc. There is precious little criticism in that thread.
Ian wrote, "Or maybe some of us, rather than being unwilling to show any disagreement with the Obama administration (your pet theory) did not oppose everything the Bush administration did."
The main criticism of Obama in that thread came from Sandinista, and he was always an avowed communist who hated both the Democrats and the Republicans, viewing them as one in the same. And, most of his posts were just pointing out that there is criticism out there, but it's not reported anywhere because the mainstream media won't report it.
Audley Strange wrote - "You know, I actually agree with Coito on this. If Bush had done this sort of thing there would have been more of an outcry, especially internationally. I mean there has been some condemnation but it's a fart in an wind tunnel compared to the shit Bush used to get. Not that the Galoot and his crazed gang didn't deserve it, their actions deserved it, but Obama really has ramped up the idea of what is essentially robot death squads to be used against whomever the regime likes."
JimC wrote in response: "There seems to be something in this argument; I think Obama is getting less criticism than maybe he deserves. However, part of me is happy with every islamic fanatic who dies by drone attack."
Your posts in that thread are not criticisms in and of themselves, merely commentary asserting that there are criticisms being leveled out there, but that CES and others are just too brainwashed or "under a rock" to have seen them. You provide no links, as usual. Just insults. And you yourself engage in little to no actual criticism. You just declare that others are criticizing.
CES wrote - "Linky to the droves of "Liberals" speaking out about Obama's civil liberties record? Mass protests? Marches? Signs? Liberals on MSNBC excoriating the President?" - no such links provided -- one video, of a person who was not criticizing Obama, but was basically asking for clarification from Eric Holder, the then Attorney General, on the targeting issue.
Mr. Jonno wrote - "It's small scale bombing of potentially dodgy foreigners..." and "You're asking people to make judgements on very small scale actions without full knowledge of the facts ( I assume most will be classified). Don't you have security hearings and congress/parliament to ask those sort of questions. Even better relatives of those killed should just sue the US government I assume it will be at least forced to defend itself if they think they have a case."
You, of course, posted that people were very much arguing against Obama, and doing so on that thread, even though they weren't. You did your usual "yes they are, read the thread" -- but, any reading of the thread showed that at most, people were saying that some liberals were objecting to Obama somewhere. Nobody on that thread made any substantial arguments against the drone program, castigated Obama, declared him a war criminal, posted any law or articles explaining why Obama was doing wrong, etc. Most of the discussion was centered around whether liberals in general were as opposed to drone strikes under Obama as they had been under Bush.
You did half acknowledge that there is a dearth of criticism of Obama - you wrote " ....so I can't speak as to why he isn't pilloried in the US, but here in Australia the same ignorance of what he really stands for abounds. I can't offer a good answer. I wonder if it was related to a huge sense of relief that Bush was finally gone and people were so happy with that outcome they are able to dismiss in their minds valid criticism of Obama..."
Anyway - if that's your best example, I rest my case.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
