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Post by JimC » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:49 pm

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Forty Two wrote:No.

If anything, I'm to the left of Obama. - Marine Le Pen
Of course she's to the left of Obama, she's a Nazi (National Socialist - clue's in the name).

Le Pen is on record as saying that French Jews will have to give up their dual Israeli citizenship if she's elected, and wants to ban Jews from wearing their yarmulkes in public. And she's even more hostile to other minorities.

Grade A, 24 carat racist.
I'm fairly sure she is a racist, from all reports I've read, but there may be valid, non-racist reasons for requiring that that French Jews will have to give up their dual Israeli citizenship, and wanting the removal of yarmulkes in public, and presumably the burka etc may be over the top, but one can make secular, non-racist arguments for such measures...
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Post by JimC » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:10 am

One could, but of course they would be utterly and completely wrong...
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Re: Prosecute Marine Le Pen for Tweeting Images of Atrocitie

Post by Svartalf » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:47 am

JimC wrote:
Strontium Dog wrote:
Forty Two wrote:No.

If anything, I'm to the left of Obama. - Marine Le Pen
Of course she's to the left of Obama, she's a Nazi (National Socialist - clue's in the name).

Le Pen is on record as saying that French Jews will have to give up their dual Israeli citizenship if she's elected, and wants to ban Jews from wearing their yarmulkes in public. And she's even more hostile to other minorities.

Grade A, 24 carat racist.
I'm fairly sure she is a racist, from all reports I've read, but there may be valid, non-racist reasons for requiring that that French Jews will have to give up their dual Israeli citizenship, and wanting the removal of yarmulkes in public, and presumably the burka etc may be over the top, but one can make secular, non-racist arguments for such measures...
Removal of kippot in the public space is respecting the law about ostentatious religious signs... now, when will they make chretins stow their crucifixes UNDER their clothing, that's another question.
Forcing Jews to renounce the dual israeli citizenship is much dicier, as France has a tradition of not minding that its citizens may have multiple passports.
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Re: Prosecute Marine Le Pen for Tweeting Images of Atrocitie

Post by Forty Two » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:47 am

Strontium Dog wrote:
Forty Two wrote:No.

If anything, I'm to the left of Obama. - Marine Le Pen
Of course she's to the left of Obama, she's a Nazi (National Socialist - clue's in the name).

Le Pen is on record as saying that French Jews will have to give up their dual Israeli citizenship if she's elected, and wants to ban Jews from wearing their yarmulkes in public. And she's even more hostile to other minorities.

Grade A, 24 carat racist.
The barring dual citizenship issue becomes someone less racist when one acknowledges that she also wants to bar dual citizenship with all non-EU countries. Norway, for example, does not allow dual citizenship. So, unless Norway is racist too, it would not seem racist to bar dual citizenship with non-EU countries.

Similarly, she supports the banning of yarmulkes in public, as part of an overall ban on religious attire in public.

About the most "racist" (not really racist, but maybe "religion-ist") that can be said of her on this issue is that she apparently does not think that Catholics/Christians have conspicuous symbols. I can see her point there, as a crucifix worn on a necklace, for example, is arguably much less "conspicuous" than headgear. Now, if she were suggesting that Jews could not wear a star of david on a necklace, or that Muslims could not wear a crescent moon or whatever on their necklaces, that might be a bit more damning. But, as far as I know, she's not opposed to any religious jewelry.

Now, for me, the banning of clothes is absurd, and would be a violation of the right to freely exercise one's religion or to not exercise religion, as well as the right of free expression. I think it's a terrible idea. However, the question I posed was what has she said or done that demonstrates she's a racist. So far, the sayings and doings cited (and since they were first, I would think they were the most damning or easiest to show) have been (a) Israeli dual citizenship, and (b) Jews wearing yarmulkes. Since these are not statements/proposals limited to Jews, and are to be imposed, in her view, on an egalitarian basis, at most it would seem the sayings/proposals are anti-religion in general, and not particularly to Jews.

Are there any sayings/doings of Marine Le Pen which are discriminatory against a particular race, or which show a hostility toward a particular race?

Also, I wouldn't think that a hostility towards a particular religion would make her racist. I, for example, have a hierarchy of negative views toward religions. For example, the People's Temple, or the Hale-Bopp Comet Cult, or the Moonies, and Scientology are near the "very horrible cultish" end of the spectrum. Most denominations of Christianity I put at a more benign spot on the spectrum, as with most forms of Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Druze, Sikh, Hindu. And, probably my favorite religion are the Cargo Cults of John Frum and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, which is followed in places like Vanuatu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement Those religions are too funny to dislike.

So, the question returns to - what has she said or done that shows/demonstrates that she's a racist?

(I'm not very familiar with minority party leaders in France, so I'm not implying that I know her not to be a racist. I'm simply asking for evidence of the claim that she is)
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Re: Prosecute Marine Le Pen for Tweeting Images of Atrocitie

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:07 pm

What is quite surprising Wilders and Le Pen do not agree almost at every level. I wonder if it the fact that Wilders grew up in Israel. :dunno:
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Re: Prosecute Marine Le Pen for Tweeting Images of Atrocitie

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:48 am

JimC wrote:
Strontium Dog wrote:
Forty Two wrote:No.

If anything, I'm to the left of Obama. - Marine Le Pen
Of course she's to the left of Obama, she's a Nazi (National Socialist - clue's in the name).

Le Pen is on record as saying that French Jews will have to give up their dual Israeli citizenship if she's elected, and wants to ban Jews from wearing their yarmulkes in public. And she's even more hostile to other minorities.

Grade A, 24 carat racist.
I'm fairly sure she is a racist, from all reports I've read, but there may be valid, non-racist reasons for requiring that that French Jews will have to give up their dual Israeli citizenship, and wanting the removal of yarmulkes in public, and presumably the burka etc may be over the top, but one can make secular, non-racist arguments for such measures...
Does she want all F-F-Frenchies to give up dual citizenship? Or even duel citizenship?
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Re: Prosecute Marine Le Pen for Tweeting Images of Atrocitie

Post by JimC » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:01 am

Maybe it's a political slap to the Israelis for some reason...
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Scot Dutchy wrote:What is quite surprising Wilders and Le Pen do not agree almost at every level. I wonder if it the fact that Wilders grew up in Israel. :dunno:
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Re: Prosecute Marine Le Pen for Tweeting Images of Atrocitie

Post by JimC » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:11 am

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Scot Dutchy wrote:What is quite surprising Wilders and Le Pen do not agree almost at every level. I wonder if it the fact that Wilders grew up in Israel. :dunno:
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rainbow wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:What is quite surprising Wilders and Le Pen do not agree almost at every level. I wonder if it the fact that Wilders grew up in Israel. :dunno:
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Svartalf wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:What is quite surprising Wilders and Le Pen do not agree almost at every level. I wonder if it the fact that Wilders grew up in Israel. :dunno:
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