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Another spineless Republican, knowing full well that what he and his party are doing is wrong, does a legger.
Utah congressman bolts an hour early from constituent town hall amid 'Your last term!' chants
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:29 pm

If they are than angry at him now, why did they elect him again last october?
Surely he hasn't been a trump and concentrated all his reprehensible activity, or lack thereof, in the last 4 months?
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I think many of these poor people were duped and believed some rational Trump was going to emerge from the showman who was only saying this stuff to get votes.

That's if everyone here is everyone who voted for him, and not a crowd of mainly Dems. The fact a small girl asked whether he believed in science suggests they were.
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:42 pm

given that's Utah and mormons have a peculiar approach to science... chaffetz being a former Jew converted to mormonism... he's also a former dem who turned coat, says a lot about his integrity.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:48 pm

Look as in Brexit people was given a load of propaganda which they are now realising will never be fulfilled as it has not got past the first hurdle.
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Post by Forty Two » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:05 pm

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What did the Europeans do? No European has any standing to complain about how the US has treated Jews. I mean, come on....

The World War 2 Europe (a war caused by Germany and Italy, and their cohorts), which were all people being slaughtered by Europeans, so it's a bit rich for Europeans to place moral blame on the US for not taking in sufficient numbers of refugees fleeing from Europe...

But the cartoon you posted with the summary is a bit misleading. it says Dr. Seuss drew the cartoon in 1941, to protest American policy on denying European Jews safe haven. The cartoon is not specifically about Jews, but rather it's about the overall restrictions the US had on immigration from Germany during the war. The US was not particularly harsh in this regard. All the allied countries were rather concerned about simply accepting large populations in from the country they're fighting.

For the most part, people in the US did not have much information about the German treatment of Jews until about 1942, and that information increased over time. So, the portrayal of this today, as Roosevelt and his administration's callous indifference to the mass murder of European Jews is a way overstated. Remember, in 1941, the President of the US was Franklin Roosevelt, hardly an "America First" slogan wielder, and he had been President already for 8 full years, and would be president for four more years after that. Was Franklin Roosevelt's administration really anti-semitic, and callously refused entry to Jews fleeing a known genocidal holocaust?

I think we also need to view these events in context. First, the world of the 1930s and 1940s was a very different, and more disconnected place. It was a time where the US still considered itself gratefully free of the behavior of the colonial powers - the "great powers" of the world. The "great powers" of the world were the UK, France, Germany, Russia and Italy. And, other colonial powers included the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, etc. If you picture yourself in the US in 1938, the events in Europe were not events that were our business. The Europeans were up to their old tricks again, warring with each other and playing their game of entangling alliances. What business was it of the US in the 1930s that Hitler was reclaiming the Sudetanland or traditionally German lands in France? What responsibility was of the US that Germany invaded Poland? If you are the mother or father of a 17 year old boy in 1939, is that something you want to see your son go off to fight? Why?

It's that same protective impulse - not wanting to sacrifice blood for someone else's war -- that was behind the reticence to take 100s of thousands of refugees in from that self-same war. It's not a Nazi impulse. It's not "hate" for the refugees. It's that it's not an issue of our making, and there is danger there - there is a risk coming with that.

We can also view it in the context of other cartoons drawn by the oh, so, non-xenophobic and welcoming Dr. Seuss:

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People Are Addressing 'President Bannon' on Postcards to White House
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Post by Animavore » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:16 pm

Someone understands disaster capitalism.
Mr. Trump’s attack on Judge James Robart, who put a stay on his immigration ban, was equally unprecedented. Previous presidents, including Barack Obama, have disagreed with and complained about judicial rulings. But that’s very different from attacking the very right of a judge — or, as the man who controls 4,000 nuclear weapons put it, a “so-called judge” — to rule against the president.

The really striking thing about Mr. Trump’s Twitter tirade, however, was his palpable eagerness to see an attack on America, which would show everyone the folly of constraining his power:

Never mind the utter falsity of the claim that bad people are “pouring in,” or for that matter of the whole premise behind the ban. What we see here is the most powerful man in the world blatantly telegraphing his intention to use national misfortune to grab even more power. And the question becomes, who will stop him?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:20 pm

Animavore wrote:I think many of these poor people were duped and believed some rational Trump was going to emerge from the showman who was only saying this stuff to get votes.

That's if everyone here is everyone who voted for him, and not a crowd of mainly Dems. The fact a small girl asked whether he believed in science suggests they were.
Those red counties that voted Trump were one's where median income levels were falling. People felt that the system was rigged against them - probably because it is. Bernie appealed to these voters too, but Trump was able to mobilise his support by channelling the racism, sexism and bigotry which is never far from the surface of US society, and by legitimising grievances that displaced facing up to fact that many in those running down communities were ill-equipped, both socially and educationally, to expand their horizons or change their path in life. He also managed, somehow or other, to cast himself as being outside of the establishment, when in fact he was probably the most firmly established establishment figure of the main contenders.
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Post by Svartalf » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:04 pm

Actually, the system is rigged FOR them, areas of scant pomulation weigh more heavily in the presidential election, thanks to the rigged eletor system.
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