Leftist Riot Du Jour - UC Berkeley

[Galaxian]

Leftists at Berkeley in the street. KKK in the White House. Tradition! Black folks have a long way to go. Forget the rap junk. Never gonna rap your way to the White House.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? "KKK in the White House. More disinfo, more agitprop, more fake news?
Is Forty Two the only rational person on this forum? Except for Galaxian, who hardly ventures here due to to its malarial, malodorous, swamp-like character.
But Obomba DID rap his way to the White House... and look what it got you: one of the worst POTUS ever!

[Tero]

The KKK supported Trump. Trump hired a crew of racists to purge any liberal or multicultural ideas from floating around in the WH air. After all, there was a muslim president there for 8 years.

[Galaxian]

The KKK supported Trump. Trump hired a crew of racists to purge any liberal or multicultural ideas from floating around in the WH air. After all, there was a muslim president there for 8 years.

And he disavowed any support from them. So, you're saying that any presidential candidate is responsible for anyone who likes them.
Do you get your fake news from the main stream media, such as the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NPR, etc?

[Forty Two]

You don't have to be a 'leftist' to riot btw.

You don't have to be, but lots of leftists tend to defend that conduct, as long as it is the correct people being beaten and abused. Why would your reaction to this incident not be the same as your reaction as it would be if you saw Trump supporters doing the same thing (which there are zero instances of anything like this, but think about it as a hypothetical).

Again, why do you constantly conflate my opposition to Trump and his ilk with de facto support for political violence? I've offered at least two qualifications of my views on this matter since the new year and yet you still assume that I would apply a different standard depending on who was on which side of the shoe. That is a bogus, spurious, and specious assumption.

I wasn't talking about you. You noted that you don't have to be a leftist to riot. I responded to that. I don't think you've yet been clear on what your position is regarding the Berkeley/Milo incident.

The category error may be your strong suit 42, but to suggest that everyone who shares a particular point of view automatically agrees with or endorses the actions of others who share that view is fallacious.

The error is on your part. I have not suggested that everyone of any group shares exactly the same points of view.

I haven't suggested who endorses what, or who opposes what. Of the folks who frequent this forum, such as yourself, all are free to type in a comment as to what their position is on it.

The category error is in raising the spectre of 'the leftist' as a degenerate and violently inclined group, defining people you disagree with into that group, and then lambasting, criticising, and mocking them on the basis of their membership of that group. It's a classic ad hom wrapped inside a transparent strawman.

A good portion of the Left are. Like when people say it's o.k. to punch Nazis and fascists, because, well, it's a taste of their own medicine, right? And, they say that nazis and fascists are violent groups. The hard-left are violent, because so many instances of the hard left engaging in violent riots can be seen. This UC Berkeley thing is not an isolated incident.

What you're talking about there - labeling an entire group and mocking them on the basis of that membership is what the Progressive identity politics folks do. You're white so you're a racist. You're a man so you're a misogynist. You're CIS so you're transphobic. You're a Trump supporter so you're stupid, racist, misgogynistic, homophobic, etc.

I've not said that all leftists are violent. I've said that the rioters at UC Berkeley were leftist. Your error is in drawing the errant conclusion that what I really mean is that all leftists are violent because THOSE leftists were violent. I never made that argument.

Isn't it true that the anti-Milo protesters who were beating people up, setting fires, destroying property, pepper spraying women, punching men, and lobbing fireworks at people -- weren't they as a group politically Leftists? Or, are you suggesting it was a mixed group, and we can't identify a political leaning or ideological bent associated with the "anti-fascist" mob of assaulters and batterers?

[Tero]

The KKK supported Trump. Trump hired a crew of racists to purge any liberal or multicultural ideas from floating around in the WH air. After all, there was a muslim president there for 8 years.

And he disavowed any support from them. So, you're saying that any presidential candidate is responsible for anyone who likes them.
Do you get your fake news from the main stream media, such as the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NPR, etc?

Bannon is the KKK in disguise
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... _bannon_a/

[Forty Two]

Nobody buys what you're selling anymore, Tero. And, by "you" I mean the typical leftist dog-whistling about so and so is a racist, and so and so is a sexist, and so and so is this other kind of -ist. Most people know that it's all made up bullshit designed as a political smear tactic. The left doesn't care if someone really is a racist. They just call people racists who aren't towing the line, or who are their political opponents.

Most everyone knows it. The slurs and namecalling is not working anymore. Very soon, the label "racist" is not going to mean anything even when leveled at actual racists. Too many times we see folks just labeling their opponents racists and misogynists. It gets old and tiresome. The words are being stretched beyond their breaking point, and all meaning is lost. When it's mainstream progressive thought that all men are sexist, all cis are transphobic, and all white people are racist, then the totalitarian mindset has taken hold - all are guilty. Punishment is meted out by fiat from the left - we like you and we'll not scream at you -- be on the wrong side, and we'll screetch and bleat on about how racist and homophobic you are.

That whole side of the political spectrum can just fuck off.

[Tero]

What? Is there something worth reading there? Anyone?

[Forty Two]

Not in the article you linked to, Tero. You linked to some forum which linked to a Mother Jones article recounting how Nancy Pelosi declared Steve Bannon to be a White Supremacist. You then declare that Steve Bannon is the KKK in disguise.

If that's your manner of thinking, and if that sounds like it makes any sense to you, then go get your head examined, because you're losing it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... upremacist It's like Elizabeth Warren here who says he's a white supremacist. Then Anderson Cooper says, hey, wait a minute, there's no evidence he's a white supremacist, is there? And, Warren goes, oh, come on, he associates himself with white supremacists.... and her evidence that he "associates himself" with white supremacists is that she believest he KKK applauded his appointment. So, he's guilty by association, and it's an association he did not seek or ask for.

That is precisely like calling Hillary Clinton a communist because she associates herself with communists, because well, the Communist Party of America applauds her.

This is the "discourse" we're seeing from the progressives, and you're propagating it, and you apparently even think it makes sense. It's really bizarre, Tero. do you believe this nonsense, or are you just rooting for your team. I hope it's the latter, because then at least you'll be selling a line of bullshit just because you think it advances your team. While I can't respect that, at least it would mean that you don't actually believe that Steve Bannon is the KKK in disguise.

[Tero]

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Not helpful.

[Forty Two]

[Animavore]

Yes. Bannon is a straight up Nazi and all 'round scumbag.

As for the rioters, if they weren't right-wing outsiders, all they've done is boost booksales and recognition of that other scumbag, Milo what's-his-face, who has now been asked by king scumbag to attend his press meetings.

Well done, you twats.

[Forty Two]

Yes. Bannon is a straight up Nazi and all 'round scumbag.

Surely you have some evidence of this?

I.e., you have evidence that he's a racist, believing that white people are superior to other races, or at least that he hates Jews, etc. You have evidence that he rejects democracy, supports euthanasia, and is anticapitalist, right?

As for the rioters, if they weren't right-wing outsiders, all they've done is boost booksales and recognition of that other scumbag, Milo what's-his-face, who has now been asked by king scumbag to attend his press meetings.

Well done, you twats.

They weren't right wing at all.

Yes, they probably boosted book sales.

But, what, exactly, does Milo do to make you call him a scumbag? He's liberal, gay, Jewish, and believes in equal rights. Oh, he doesn't like Islam or third wave feminism. That's why crowds of "Progressives" attack and assault people to shut him up. Can't have him speaking out against oppressive ideologies that want to control your thoughts and language. gotta shut that guy up!

[Brian Peacock]

You don't have to be a 'leftist' to riot btw.

You don't have to be, but lots of leftists tend to defend that conduct, as long as it is the correct people being beaten and abused. Why would your reaction to this incident not be the same as your reaction as it would be if you saw Trump supporters doing the same thing (which there are zero instances of anything like this, but think about it as a hypothetical).

Again, why do you constantly conflate my opposition to Trump and his ilk with de facto support for political violence? I've offered at least two qualifications of my views on this matter since the new year and yet you still assume that I would apply a different standard depending on who was on which side of the shoe. That is a bogus, spurious, and specious assumption.

I wasn't talking about you. You noted that you don't have to be a leftist to riot. I responded to that. I don't think you've yet been clear on what your position is regarding the Berkeley/Milo incident.

I've made my position abundantly clear on political violence as well as on freedom of speech - most recently with regards to the post-inauguration fracas. Let the bigots speak unless they're inciting others to violence and popular political violence can only really be justified as a response to state-sponsored political violence.

The category error may be your strong suit 42, but to suggest that everyone who shares a particular point of view automatically agrees with or endorses the actions of others who share that view is fallacious.

The error is on your part. I have not suggested that everyone of any group shares exactly the same points of view.

Look at the thread title then point to the section of the OP where you made a distinction between the vast majority of peaceful protesters and those intent on violence - the 100-150 black clad 'ninjas' referred to by the police chief?

The category error is in raising the spectre of 'the leftist' as a degenerate and violently inclined group, defining people you disagree with into that group, and then lambasting, criticising, and mocking them on the basis of their membership of that group. It's a classic ad hom wrapped inside a transparent strawman.

A good portion of the Left are. Like when people say it's o.k. to punch Nazis and fascists, because, well, it's a taste of their own medicine, right? And, they say that nazis and fascists are violent groups. The hard-left are violent, because so many instances of the hard left engaging in violent riots can be seen. This UC Berkeley thing is not an isolated incident.

What you're talking about there - labeling an entire group and mocking them on the basis of that membership is what the Progressive identity politics folks do. You're white so you're a racist. You're a man so you're a misogynist. You're CIS so you're transphobic. You're a Trump supporter so you're stupid, racist, misgogynistic, homophobic, etc.

I've not said that all leftists are violent. I've said that the rioters at UC Berkeley were leftist. Your error is in drawing the errant conclusion that what I really mean is that all leftists are violent because THOSE leftists were violent. I never made that argument.

Isn't it true that the anti-Milo protesters who were beating people up, setting fires, destroying property, pepper spraying women, punching men, and lobbing fireworks at people -- weren't they as a group politically Leftists? Or, are you suggesting it was a mixed group, and we can't identify a political leaning or ideological bent associated with the "anti-fascist" mob of assaulters and batterers?

Blah blah blah gender politics blah blah feminazis blah blah blah white privileged blah blah gish gallop blah blah blah....

[Svartalf]

The KKK supported Trump. Trump hired a crew of racists to purge any liberal or multicultural ideas from floating around in the WH air. After all, there was a muslim president there for 8 years.

And he disavowed any support from them. So, you're saying that any presidential candidate is responsible for anyone who likes them.
Do you get your fake news from the main stream media, such as the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NPR, etc?

yeah, right, which is why he's been putting ultra conservative and alt right loons in positions of power, starting with breitbart's head liar as strategy advisor...

[Collector1337]

I went to see Milo when he came to speak at my alma moter.

It was a full house. He's a very good speaker.

There wasn't a single protester.

I even got his autograph.