Does it matter to you if Trump fails?

[Forty Two]

If you think that indulging an oligarchy is a boon to world peace and political stability then you should reread your Paine and Jefferson.

Do you believe that Hillary Clinton's government would be less oligarchical?

This is what I don't follow. Clinton was the quintessential insider and hawk. She was the darling of Wall Street, the darling of the media, the darling of Hollywood. She is a Goldwater conservative from way back, and has not seen an American military intervention that she has not supported. She is a free trader supporter of big business.

How does Trump give us an oligarchy to indulge which we would not otherwise have?

[tattuchu]

Forty-Two [directly before incineration]: "No, but just think how much worse it would've been under Hillary!"

[Brian Peacock]

If you think that indulging an oligarchy is a boon to world peace and political stability then you should reread your Paine and Jefferson.

Do you believe that Hillary Clinton's government would be less oligarchical?

Yes folks, Clinton or Obama is only ever one gish gallop away. Your current shtick can be reduced to, "At least he's not a Democrat."

This is what I don't follow. Clinton was the quintessential insider and hawk. She was the darling of Wall Street, the darling of the media, the darling of Hollywood. She is a Goldwater conservative from way back, and has not seen an American military intervention that she has not supported. She is a free trader supporter of big business.

How does Trump give us an oligarchy to indulge which we would not otherwise have?

Putin.

[pErvinalia]

You have plenty to lose.

Not as much as we would if the war hawk, Hillary, had been elected.

Maybe, maybe not. But you do in fact have a lot to lose by letting a narcissistic man-child govern by tantrum.

[Brian Peacock]

Nobody who rails against military action on Obama's watch seems to have railed against military action on Bush's. The constant alt-fact that Hillary would have scorched the land and boiled the oceans if she'd been elected counts for very little - it's a supposition, a guess, a boogeyman story to frighten the kids into never voting for a woman, or a democrat, and a cautionary tale to bolster the belief that Trump, simply by being elected, has miraculously saved us all from a nuclear winter heralding a new dark age. The longer we go without Armageddon the more traction this fiction will accrue - "See, I told you he would stop the End Times a-coming, unlike that rabid woman who was actually just itching to destroy us all." It's all part of people's penchant for overly simplistic good vs evil, heroic messiah narratives that so many have been culturally acclimatised into accepting as reality.

[pErvinalia]

Not to mention that Trump is already heading down a path for a confrontation with China.

[JimC]

Trump needs to persuade Vietnam to invade China...

[Svartalf]

Yeah, it's like trying to persuade Hobart to invade Oz

[JimC]

Yeah, it's like trying to persuade Hobart to invade Oz

They have their sinister plans, those evil Tasmanians...

[Animavore]

It not only matters that he fails, it's imperative that he fails. His plans to reignite the fossil industry and open the flood gates to massive resource sell offs which will have these companies squeeze every last drop of fossil out of the ground with ever more harmful and dirty extraction puts the whole planet at risk.

This shouldn't even have to be spelt out any more. Trump and his cabinet are a bunch of immoral delinquents who only care about short-term profits over long term protection. My only hope is that the whole rest of the World moves quickly away from fossil and Trump. Putin, Exxon and Rosneft end up with a ton of oil they can't sell to anyone, and they fucking drown in it.

[Scot Dutchy]

While agreeing with you Ani but I dont expect much to change in the short term. Trump and Putin will make a killing on the oil market.

[tattuchu]

Not to mention that Trump is already heading down a path for a confrontation with China.

And he's already violated the Constitution.

[tattuchu]

It not only matters that he fails, it's imperative that he fails. His plans to reignite the fossil industry and open the flood gates to massive resource sell offs which will have these companies squeeze every last drop of fossil out of the ground with ever more harmful and dirty extraction puts the whole planet at risk.

This shouldn't even have to be spelt out any more. Trump and his cabinet are a bunch of immoral delinquents who only care about short-term profits over long term protection. My only hope is that the whole rest of the World moves quickly away from fossil and Trump. Putin, Exxon and Rosneft end up with a ton of oil they can't sell to anyone, and they fucking drown in it.

It's obvious to everyone except Forty-Two, apparently. I have to believe he's being contrarian for the sake of discussion

[Svartalf]

Not to mention that Trump is already heading down a path for a confrontation with China.

And he's already violated the Constitution.

he's not violating the constitution, just pussy grabbing it, she has not yet protested.

[Animavore]

It not only matters that he fails, it's imperative that he fails. His plans to reignite the fossil industry and open the flood gates to massive resource sell offs which will have these companies squeeze every last drop of fossil out of the ground with ever more harmful and dirty extraction puts the whole planet at risk.

This shouldn't even have to be spelt out any more. Trump and his cabinet are a bunch of immoral delinquents who only care about short-term profits over long term protection. My only hope is that the whole rest of the World moves quickly away from fossil and Trump. Putin, Exxon and Rosneft end up with a ton of oil they can't sell to anyone, and they fucking drown in it.

It's obvious to everyone except Forty-Two, apparently. I have to believe he's being contrarian for the sake of discussion

I have him blocked like all the other Trump fans because these people are just unbelievable. But going off of comments I'm reading in reply, I'm indirectly getting the feeling he's in the denial stage of grief. He's just behind Skinny Puppy on Rat Skep who recently reached the anger stage and flounced off.