The suzerain Trump

[Animavore]

Here's 32 retailers selling Trump's crap if you want to boycott.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-rel ... ?r=US&IR=T

[Forty Two]

"So, the proposal is to set up screening procedures which can identify and check the backgrounds of applicants so that folks with ties to terrorism can be screened out. He has also said that immigrants should be willing to conform to liberal western values, like religious tolerance and tolerance of LGBTQ people. Where immigrants harbored illiberal views, he would bar immigration. "



Sounds good another Trump sound bite of course there is no practical way of doing ANY of this! What the fuck does he think? refugees all have verifiable paperwork or that customs can phone the public records office in Aleppo ? does he think Muslims are not allowed to lie (it's allowed, both Taqiyya and Kitman) what the fuck does he think the test is going to be ???? all immigrants much eat a bacon sandwich drink a pint a pint of beer and dance to Karma Chameleon ?????
Many of the people who voted for him are religious bigoted homophobic racists will he apply the same test to them as Muslims and deport them ?

Well, the background investigation part can be done - people have to provide proper verifiable identification. All countries do that. Are you suggesting that the western coutnries just lets people in without background checks?

The ideological bit is a bit more amorphous, but you can set up easy deport systems where you get people to check off that they're not associated with some group or another, and then if it's discovered that they are, you deport them for lying on the application. They did it with Nazis. They can also verify memberships in organizations and the like.

He would not apply the same test to legal voters because they are American citizens.

[Tero]

The Trump administration lied again. No block on 7 countries under Obama

The Pinocchio Test
So what’s the difference with Trump’s action?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, had been a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and also impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce there was a ban on visa applications. In fact, as seen in Napolitano’s answer to Collins, administration officials danced around that question. There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had been slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it was their policy to halt all applications. Even so, the delays did not go unnoticed, so there was a lot of critical news reporting at the time about the angst of Iraqis waiting for approval.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

We have sought comment from the White House and also from Obama administration officials and so may update this if more information becomes available. But so far this is worthy of at least Two Pinocchios.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... ab64456115

[Animavore]

Fake news. Alternative facts.

[Feck]

I'm considering how much trouble you can get into for applying weed killer to a golf course .........

[Animavore]

You can add Uber to the list above after those scabs went in to pick up people from JFK when the taxis went on an hour strike in solidarity with the detainees.

[Forty Two]

Chaos over Trump immigration order may be just what he wanted:
Declare Trump emperor to take action quickly.

The only chaos has been among protesters, and chaos is what they want to cause. like 70 to 80% of Americans support heightened scrutiny from high risk countries. This is not something Trump will suffer from. The only way he'll suffer is by backing down. People see the protesters and the media as dishonest on this issue, and the way the media is reporting it, they are proving that suspicion correct. And a bunch of left-wing brick-throwers declaring that a temporary restriction on entry from 7 countries which were designated high-risk by the Obama administration is somehow akin to a ban on immigration of Jews during the holocaust is not going to convince anyone of anything.

[Forty Two]

You can add Uber to the list above after those scabs went in to pick up people from JFK when the taxis went on an hour strike in solidarity with the detainees.

Good for Uber. I might have them give me a ride just to express my solidarity with them.

[Forty Two]

The Trump administration lied again. No block on 7 countries under Obama

The Pinocchio Test
So what’s the difference with Trump’s action?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, had been a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and also impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce there was a ban on visa applications. In fact, as seen in Napolitano’s answer to Collins, administration officials danced around that question. There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had been slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it was their policy to halt all applications. Even so, the delays did not go unnoticed, so there was a lot of critical news reporting at the time about the angst of Iraqis waiting for approval.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

We have sought comment from the White House and also from Obama administration officials and so may update this if more information becomes available. But so far this is worthy of at least Two Pinocchios.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... ab64456115

The media is lying again. The Trump admin did not say there was a "block" under the Obama Administration. It said these 7 countries were designated by the Obama Administration as countries to be concerned about. And, they did.

Look - open up the executive order and see how many countries are listed there. The only one expressly named is Syria. Where do you think they got the list of 7? How does the media know which countries are subject to the executive order when only Syria is mentioned?

Riddle me that.

[Animavore]

[Feck]

So all this will not stop one determined terrorist NOT ONE !!! . Homophobia sexism and racism will be tolerated by Americans but not poor indoctrinated children whose countries have been turned into smoking ruins ?
Nothing in the Trump sound bite is practical that wasn't already being done !

[Feck]

Trumpists should make up their minds They crow about how Trump has made bold new moves then when those moves are shown to be totally shit they try to say nothing has changed and try blaming Obama !
More than a little a little dishonest !

[Animavore]

They're simply digging their heels in. Those that really believed he would change things, and not, obviously, the white supremacists who knew what was really going on (who are rejoicing). They know they've done bad, but manning up and admitting it that they were wrong, so far, evades them.

So far.

[Animavore]

Another good article about the Nazi Trump has put in charge of the US's security.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

[Tero]

The Trump administration lied again. No block on 7 countries under Obama

The Pinocchio Test
So what’s the difference with Trump’s action?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, had been a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and also impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce there was a ban on visa applications. In fact, as seen in Napolitano’s answer to Collins, administration officials danced around that question. There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had been slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it was their policy to halt all applications. Even so, the delays did not go unnoticed, so there was a lot of critical news reporting at the time about the angst of Iraqis waiting for approval.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

We have sought comment from the White House and also from Obama administration officials and so may update this if more information becomes available. But so far this is worthy of at least Two Pinocchios.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... ab64456115

The media is lying again. The Trump admin did not say there was a "block" under the Obama Administration. It said these 7 countries were designated by the Obama Administration as countries to be concerned about. And, they did.

Look - open up the executive order and see how many countries are listed there. The only one expressly named is Syria. Where do you think they got the list of 7? How does the media know which countries are subject to the executive order when only Syria is mentioned?

Riddle me that.

They turned you into a Borg already? Repeating the Trump mantra "media is lying" automatically.