Healthcare... America and the rest

[mistermack]

We have a healthcare system. Spot the difference? We all pay the same.

No you don't.

Another clever dick. Go on tell me why we dont pay all the same?

The basic rate is fixed annually by the committee of the insurance companies, health inspectorate and patient reps as is the personal amount we have to pay for certain treatments. No insurance company can charge more than the basic rate but they can charge less (to attract more clients).

As an individual you can take on more insurance to increase cover but that is entirely your choice.

Who's a clever boy? You answered your own question.
Also, some people pay nothing.

[Tero]

There is nothing really badly wrong with US care other than it is costly. And billing is too complicated (due to insurance). Many unnecessary procedures are done. Most of them in the last month of a person's life. Also, competition never came up as the system is a one size fits all system of care. A patient can only cut costs by making most care outpatient care. Ive had general anasthesia 4-5 times but have never been admitted to a hospital in 62 years. I've never been in an ER for me. My kids, 2 times.

[mistermack]

There is nothing really badly wrong with US care other than it is costly.

Is that all?

That's like owning a Rolls Royce. There's no reason that everyone can't have one, except that they're costly.

Unfortunately, cost is the fundamental thing about almost everything. Without it, it would be a great world.

In real life, we all have to choose a compromise. No wonder hardly anyone likes the result.

[Scot Dutchy]

Also, some people pay nothing.

Those who pay nothing are on benefit and the state pays the basic insurance. Just explain why you think we dont pay the same. The basic insurance is fixed so who is paying more?

[Tero]

The cost is passed down to us through insurance. We need to empower Death Panels to unplug patients beyond hope.

[mistermack]

Also, some people pay nothing.

Those who pay nothing are on benefit and the state pays the basic insurance. Just explain why you think we dont pay the same. The basic insurance is fixed so who is paying more?

Everybody, is paying more than the people who pay nothing. That should be easy to comprehend. Also, the people you mentioned, who pay more to get more.
Same as here in the UK. You can pay in to private health insurance, without losing your state entitlement.
You don't all pay the same. That's a fact.

[Scot Dutchy]

Also, some people pay nothing.

Those who pay nothing are on benefit and the state pays the basic insurance. Just explain why you think we dont pay the same. The basic insurance is fixed so who is paying more?

Everybody, is paying more than the people who pay nothing. That should be easy to comprehend. Also, the people you mentioned, who pay more to get more.
Same as here in the UK. You can pay in to private health insurance, without losing your state entitlement.
You don't all pay the same. That's a fact.

I told you why they pay nothing. It is part of our social services. People who can pay do pay the same basic rate. Any extra coverage is up to them. We dont have a private health insurance.

[mistermack]

I told you why they pay nothing. It is part of our social services. People who can pay do pay the same basic rate. Any extra coverage is up to them. We dont have a private health insurance.

The question wasn't why. It was, do everybody pay the same. Answer, no.

[Scot Dutchy]

I told you why they pay nothing. It is part of our social services. People who can pay do pay the same basic rate. Any extra coverage is up to them. We dont have a private health insurance.

The question wasn't why. It was, do everybody pay the same. Answer, no.

They do but if you are on benefit the government pays yours. Nit picking at its absolute. So the people on benefit do pay it.

[mistermack]

Those who pay nothing are on benefit

They do, if your black nits are white.

[laklak]

Black nits matter!

[Forty Two]

I told you why they pay nothing. It is part of our social services. People who can pay do pay the same basic rate. Any extra coverage is up to them. We dont have a private health insurance.

Wow, the Netherlands lets people with more money get better "extra" coverage? How uncivilized. Everyone has a right to all available care, regardless of ability to pay...

[Forty Two]

I thank everyday I dont live in a mess of a country like the USA. I would commit suicide. I need plenty of health care and I get the best in Europe and probably the world.

In any insurance scheme there are winners and losers. The losers pay for the winners.
Your "plenty of healthcare" is paid for by others who by no fault of their own, are healthy.

The better the healthcare for the winners, the more the losers have to pay.

We have a healthcare system. Spot the difference? We all pay the same.

You all pay the same? How regressive.

[Forty Two]

I thank everyday I dont live in a mess of a country like the USA. I would commit suicide. I need plenty of health care and I get the best in Europe and probably the world.

What is it that you don't think you would get in the U.S?

[Forty Two]

We want governmnet subsidised healthcare. Nearly all of us, except 42.

I have no problem with government subsidized healthcare....for the poor. When half the 2009 uninsured population made over $50,000 per year, I didn't exactly view that as a a needy group.