Will you accept the election results?

[Galaxian]

It was a close election with the 2.8 million vote loser winning using rural states. Between Putin, Comey, gerrymandering and Humana's Weiner problem, Hillary's Pennsylvania vote was lost.

Millions of votes were mis-allocated by the hacking done to the electronic voting machins & fractional magic system of the central computers.

Bullshit, conspiracy theory, Foxnews, Alex Jones and Breitbart crap.

Easy slurs from intellectually lazy mouthpieces of the high priests of corruption. Almost as if we have a robo-troll.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ZAqCi1mhs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoE73WNoCXo


Of course, the above must all be coincidence, eh? Dozens & dozens of coincidences. Real cute & dandy...

[laklak]

I take the point about the House, but I'd need to see some data that Republicans run the polling stations, particularly in Big Blue states.

[Forty Two]

It's checks and balances. If congress fails to act on Russia hacking future elections, then we don't have that anymore. Anyone can barge in and grab the whole thing.

Wouldn't it be nice if someone disclosed the evidence that Russia hacked anything? Do you believe the "unnamed sources?" LOL -- how dare we question the CIA....

[Forty Two]

Republicans giddy about turning away 300 000 in Wisconsin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Opponents say that the laws were designed to target people more likely to vote Democratic.

Last week, during the federal trial on Wisconsin’s voter-ID law, a former Republican staffer testified that GOP senators were “giddy” about the idea that the state’s 2011 voter-ID law might keep Democrats, particularly minorities in Milwaukee, from voting and help them win at the polls. “They were politically frothing at the mouth,” said the aide, Todd Allbaugh.

Well, I would submit that the Republicans probably would phrase it as being in favor of keeping felons, illegal aliens, persons registered in multiple districts, dead people, and other persons not entitled to vote from voting. With all due respect to Todd Allbaugh, I'll believe the "frothing" comment when someone proves it.

None of these people are trustworthy, and that includes the Republicans. I am certainly willing to believe the Republicans want to keep Democrats from voting, but that is true also of Democrats, who would love to suppress the Republican vote. They all gerrymander to their own interests. They will all cheat if they can. The Democrats for example had to fire a bunch of people this year for admitting that they cheat. Don't you remember that?

So, I believe what's been proved. And, self-serving statements about "frothing" and implicit or explicit charges of racism are worth the paper they're printed on, until someone shows proof.

[Tero]

Felons are purposely kept from voting long past when they get out of jail. Marijuana laws need to be in place so that half the black males in their 20s are in jail.

[Forty Two]

It's checks and balances. If congress fails to act on Russia hacking future elections, then we don't have that anymore. Anyone can barge in and grab the whole thing.

..and by that you mean anyone could expose the electorate to the awful, awful, truth about a candidate.

You need to disabuse yourself of this ridiculous notion that Russia was acting altruistic. Oh right, their goal was to further American democracy...

Indeed, he does need to disabuse himself of any notion he has that Russia acts altruistically. However, in the context of "hacking" the election, everyone needs to disabuse themselves of the ridiculous notion that someone has provided a scintilla of evidence that Russia did something (and specifically what that something was). Unnamed sources saying that "intelligence agencies" think the methods look like Russia is, quite simply, bullshit. I wouldn't expect anyone to believe that shit coming out of a Republican administration, so why in the world would anyone buy it now?

If they had hard evidence, what is the hold-up? Disclose it. Show us how you know. Show us what you know. It just doesn't cut it to say "we're your intelligence services, trust us." That's what they said in 2003, when they looked us all in the face and showed overhead views of "chemical and biological weapons" factories in Iraq. Trust us - the WMD are there -- near Baghdad or to the North, South, East or West of there.....

The allegation is too big. Too important. It's an extraordinary claim that Russia hacked our election and influenced the outcome for the purpose of electing Donald Trump over Hilary Clinton, and that, as some say, Donald Trump's campaign was in direct cahoots with Putin. Thems some serious words - -treason comes to mind, if it's true.

Now, everyone hates Trump. The entire GOP field hated Trump during the primaries, with Republicans agonizing over whether they could support him. He won despite the Republican party, not with its help. And, Hillary's camp and all the Democrats loathe Trump. So, nobody in the government, majority or minority, wanted to help Trump. So, why did the information not get released, if the proof exists? What possible reason could the Obama Administration's NSA or CIA have to withold that information, which could have sunk Trump's campaign in mid-stream and shown him to be a traitor. What? They secretly wanted Hillary to lose?

I don't trust people who say "unnamed sources" have reported that it's the Russians. Bull-fucking-shit.

[Forty Two]

I've asked before, what does gerrymandering have to do with the Presidential election?

Zero. And, the notion, too, that the Democratic Party doesn't do it's own gerrymandering is as absurd as absurd can get.

[laklak]

Gerrymandering is the new Benghazi.

[Forty Two]

Well, for one, the Republicans man the polling stations.

bullshit. Representatives of both major parties huperson the polling stations.

So they can scrap any vote that is off the checked box or does not "read" right when fed to the optical reader.

So can the Democrats hupersoning the polling stations, if they want commit a crime. And, this year, we saw Democratic operatives get fired over their on-tape admissions that they cheat at the polls.

And they make sure every republican votes.

They don't know whose a democrat or a republican at the polls and people can't wear candidate logos or other material at the polling stations. No electioneering. And, when you take your ballot to the machine, the voter feeds it in himself and the poll worker doesn't look at it. Have you ever voted? Doesn't sound like it.

Back in 2012 thousands of blacks were left outside when the polling stations closed.

LOL. Yes, only blacks showed up late to polling stations. "Thousands" of blacks? Really? Let's see the proof. Where were they? Were they in predominently white-republican districts? Vote by mail -- early voting for weeks -- polling places open for 12-13 hours on polling day, and the rule that if you're in line when the polls close you can vote -- but, you think blacks can't puzzle out how to vote. LOL

Republican run things in all battleground states.

Nonsense. Prove it. They run things in Michigan? Which hasn't voted Republican for 30 years? They control Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which voted for Obama twice, and Kerry before that? And, Gore before that? You have got to be kidding.

[Tero]

Actually, the COUNTRY is gerrymandered to favor Republicans. What happened in the last frame is exactly what gave Trump all those states:

[Forty Two]

Gerrymandering is the new Benghazi.

Democrats would never gerrymander.... lol http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hacke ... le/2601511

[Jason]

I'm being slightly ironic when I say Russia is supporting American democratic principles, but only to give the lie to the assertion of the present left-wing propaganda machine that the election was somehow subverted or "hacked". They, the propagandists, are acting deliberately, and in bad faith, to undermine the confidence of the American people (who will believe almost anything it seems - see "Fake News") in what was a legitimate election. Hillary's emails were hacked by someone and that information was released. That information wasn't altered or fabricated. It wasn't part of a move to subvert the public perception of Hillary Clinton. Claiming the election was "hacked" so they can cast a deep shadow of doubt on the legitimacy of the Trump presidency gives the lie to the integrity and credibility of leftist media sources who have proved they'll put anything into the media pipe to support their political agenda. Dedication to truth and journalistic integrity are simple Machiavellian foils they deploy to slip past the intellectual defenses, checks and balances on the truth value of claims made, of their audiences. They've proven only slightly better than the Fake News in that they'll parlay their propaganda with a kernel of reality.

[Tero]

The border between Wisconsin and Illinois is exactly the gerrymandering situation. If you balanced the North Illinois suburban areas and Wisconsin rural areas in Wisconsin ina different way, giving Wisconsin more of the land, you would have gotten Wisconsin for Hillary. If you took the middle picture above and zigzagged down the third column, giving every other blue square to the left districts, you would minimize gerrymandering but blue would still gain, overall. The current situation is more like the right.

[Hermit]

Of course the Russian government would love to influence, or better still, to control, everything everywhere, and it would undoubtedly do exactly that if it was capable and thought it could get away with it. Governments are like that. A lot of human individuals are like that. Yeah, we know. But do we know the Russians hacked email accounts and the US electoral machinery? "The signs are..."? FFS, we can't even speak of a pattern. There is no record to go by.

The double-standard is breathtaking. As 42 has pointed out, if the boot was on the other foot, liberals as well as Democrats would have laughed at those allegations till kingdom come, while the fucktards would have seriously and sincerely believed them to be true. Maybe they are, but in the absence of convincing evidence we have no way of knowing if they are, or not, and it is about time everybody acknowledges that already.

[laklak]

How did it give Trump the states? 48 states are winner take all; all the electoral votes go to the winner of the popular vote statewide. Congressional districts have no impact on the overall vote. The two remaining states, Maine and Nebraska (with a combined total of 9 electoral votes) award one vote per congressional district, and two based on the statewide winner. So gerrymandering can only affect the results in those two states.

On the Wisconsin / Illinois thing, how can you give Wisconsin "more" of the land? Congressional districts cannot cross state lines. I don't understand your point.