The Hillary-thread

[pErvinalia]

[Tero]

Voters always wanr change. Keep the same only qualifies for a second term campaign:

In other words, when Americans didn’t view considerations of character or experience as decisive, they voted for Trump over Clinton by huge margins. They did so because four issues favored him—immigration, trade, the Supreme Court, and Obamacare—while no issues favored her.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 32383.html

[pErvinalia]

By huge margins? She's won the popular vote by an historically huge margin.

[Tero]

That part was bad campaign stops and ad placement. She should have hired Michael Moore to campaign Michigan and Wisconsin.

Also, Trump got hours of free ads by just selling the Trump brand and balsting away with statements that sold papers and website views. That is how he assured red state wins. And Ohio,

[Brian Peacock]

Ooooooooooooooooo-kla-homa!

[Svartalf]

what's up with Redneckisstan?

[DRSB]

He has a point about the absurdity of Hillary's coalition.

[Forty Two]

Hillary deserved more votes, because The Holy Bible was and remains her greatest influence, and made her what she is today: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/1 ... 00041.html

I guess God didn't think she was the best candidate for the job.

[Forty Two]

I have a suspicion that THIS is why Hillary Clinton lost the election:

Is anyone else as irked as I am by this insufferable tactic of celebrities and politicians pretending to see people they know in large crowds and then pointing and smiling/laughing toward them in an extremely exaggerated fashion?

It's so damn fake. Hillary was doing this endlessly. It was almost every time I saw her addressing a crowd, she'd point at places in the crowd and paste this ridiculous wide-eyed, cheshire-like grin on her crusty mug. You just know she doesn't see some pal of hers in the fucking crowd, for fuck's sake. She's not friends with people who stand in the middle of crowds of cheering fans.

I have a feeling this is some advice from a PR person, or body language coach, telling the fucking candidates and celebrities to make sure they point and smile, pretending to acknowledge people they know in the crowd, because, like, the television viewers at home will feel as if the candidate is recognizing them.

I mean, look at that picture - it doesn't even look like she's looking in the same direction she's pointing. And, that wide-eyed, eyebrows-raised, giant grin -- what is she communicating to someone she's supposed to be on the receiving end? Is she saying "isn't this wild! I'm up here and there you are! In the crowd! Super cool!" - come the fuck on....

[Brian Peacock]

You know, you don't have to hate her anymore. She lost - her legacy is rotten fruit.

[Tero]

[Seth]

By huge margins? She's won the popular vote by an historically huge margin.

Lie.

She only won a putative 47 percent of the popular vote (assuming we ignore the massive voter fraud perpetrated by the Democrat party for a moment). Subtract from that the 53 percent she DID NOT win and it's easy to see why this factoid is a blatant lie.

Besides, the electoral college is designed to prevent exactly what the Democrats are now whining about: a victory by EITHER party based solely on high-population regional block voting. The electoral college was designed to make sure that the interests of the less-populated stated could not be ignored in presidential voting, which is WHY the US ain't a "democracy."

[pErvinalia]

What are you talking about? At present she has more the 1.5 million more votes than Trump.

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah, all those dead Democrats voting twice still couldn't secure Clinton's elevation to office. Nonetheless, we seem to be in the realm of lies, damn lies, and statistics, but by Seth's rhetorical reasoning Clinton failed to secure 52.15% of the popular vote while Trump failed to secure 52.77% - which I guess makes him the one that most people didn't vote for. Either way, Trump can't claim any sort of landslide or that the people have given him a resounding endorsement. They didn't. He snuck in despite polling 1.7m less votes (around 1.15% of the registered electorate, or around 0.53% of the population). It was a very close run thing - something the electoral college tally does not really reflect. One can just imagine the hoo-hah if the mitten had been on the other knuckle. That all three branches of government will now be controlled by Republicans is far more significant than simply who gets to sit in the big chair. To a died-in-the-wool constitutional republican like myself it seem pretty clear that the historical fudge that is the US electoral college system is overdue an independent review with a view to dragging it into the 21st Century - not that that's ever going to happen of course.

[Seth]

Yeah, all those dead Democrats voting twice still couldn't secure Clinton's elevation to office. Nonetheless, we seem to be in the realm of lies, damn lies, and statistics, but by Seth's rhetorical reasoning Clinton failed to secure 52.15% of the popular vote while Trump failed to secure 52.77% - which I guess makes him the one that most people didn't vote for. Either way, Trump can't claim any sort of landslide or that the people have given him a resounding endorsement. They didn't.

He doesn't need a "resounding endorsement," that's the point. He needs to win by one electoral vote. Besides, repudiation of Hillary is demonstrated by the fact that she DID NOT win in a Reaganesque 18.27% popular and 97.58% electoral college vote over Walter Mondale in 1984...which is what Democrats were predicting all along.

He snuck in despite polling 1.7m less votes (around 1.15% of the registered electorate, or around 0.53% of the population). It was a very close run thing - something the electoral college tally does not really reflect.

He didn't "sneak" anywhere. He's the fifth President to "lose" the popular vote but win the presidency and he did it during the second-most dismal voter turnout (55%) in any election where the winner "lost" the popular vote. Only John Quincy Adams in 1824 had a lower voter turnout of that group. What that says is that the putative Hillary voters simply stayed home and didn't vote at all, which doesn't say much for her.

One can just imagine the hoo-hah if the mitten had been on the other knuckle.

Indeed, and rightfully so since the dead tend to vote Democrat, along with the illegal aliens. I'm firmly convinced that if (hopefully when) all the votes are examined and the fraudulent votes tossed out and the fraudulent voters arrested and charged with voter fraud and put in prison it will turn out that Trump actually did win the popular vote...not that it matters.

That all three branches of government will now be controlled by Republicans is far more significant than simply who gets to sit in the big chair.

Oh you just damned betcha it is! First time in what, 40 years or so? I've always said who is President is far less important than who controls Congress. Pity Republicans didn't elect a veto-proof super-majority but it'll do that they hold the majority. And now it's time to give Democrats "democracy"...good and hard.

To a died-in-the-wool constitutional republican like myself it seem pretty clear that the historical fudge that is the US electoral college system is overdue an independent review with a view to dragging it into the 21st Century - not that that's ever going to happen of course.

Why? It's been working quite well since the very beginning, why should anything change? I didn't bitch about the electoral college when Obama won, or Clinton or any other Democrat even though many Republicans did. As we see, it helps to even things out in the long run and it provides representation for the vast "flyover" territory of middle America that has for the last 40 years or so been completely ignored by pretty much everybody. That Trump was able to successfully motivate that base into actually voting is a wonder of modern politics. Just look at a map of the nation and how people voted on a county-by-county basis. The nation is almost entirely red except for the liberal-dominated big cities with their entitlement cultures and beholden sheeple voters who want the slop to continue to flow into the trough from the federal government. It's perfectly just that the simmering anger and resentment of middle America, who has to pay for all the welfare leeches and Marxist useful idiots to slop at the trough have finally been heard from, pretty damned loud and clear.

So yes, Trump does indeed have a mandate to look after the interests of the productive class rather than the interests of the indolent dependent class.