Election 2016 Thread

[Forty Two]

Remember, the Clinton camp thought Trump was the candidate they wanted to go up against -- http://www.inquisitr.com/3696795/you-al ... ted-right/

Clinton helped Trump get the nomination -- http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730 ... ied-pipers

[Tero]

S Park:
“South Park” traditionally uses the Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich as metaphors for the impossible choice viewers have to make in virtually every election season, and repulsive as the suggested imagery is, the terms almost always fit. (“Nearly every election since the beginning of time has been between some douche and some turd,” a character explained in 2004. “They’re the only people who suck up enough to make it that far in politics!”
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/10/south-p ... to-happen/

[Animavore]

I never said it was a horrible thing to say. You are the one blowing things out of proportion. Not me. And so defensive too.

So, it's a fine thing to say the system is rigged before the election even started?

Why did you mention it?

To give an example that Trump supporters don't have a moral high-ground. You're taking it as an attack when I'm not siding with anyone. I agree that Dems dropped the ball. That they had a non-establishment candidate, at a time when people seem to be screaming out for a non-establishment candidate, and they chose the candidate who they thought would save their assets, given the other was speaking about taking the corporate money out of politics.

[Forty Two]

I never said it was a horrible thing to say. You are the one blowing things out of proportion. Not me. And so defensive too.

So, it's a fine thing to say the system is rigged before the election even started?

Why did you mention it?

To give an example that Trump supporters don't have a moral high-ground.

Who claimed they did?

You're taking it as an attack when I'm not siding with anyone. I agree that Dems dropped the ball. That they had a non-establishment candidate, at a time when people seem to be screaming out for a non-establishment candidate, and they chose the candidate who they thought would save their assets, given the other was speaking about taking the corporate money out of politics.

Indeed, this was a big machination by Clinton and it backfired. She and the DNC worked to get Trump the nomination, because they thought he was the easiest to beat. Then the DNC and Clinton conspired to cut Sanders out, and they succeeded. She's left with egg on her face.

[Animavore]

So Trump is putting a denialist in charge of the EPA and there's even talk of Palin becoming some sort of Minister for Energy. And he plans to scrap the Paris Agreement. Trump plans on going full steam ahead with allowing digging for oil, gas, shale and "clean coal", whatever the fuck that is. He's also allowing the go ahead on all controversial pipelines. That he's withdrawing billions of dollars of funding which was supposed to go to expanding and developing green energy and infrastructure.

Another win for the Koch Brothers, ExxonMobil and The Heartland Institute. Another kick in the teeth for environmentalism. This is why I hate Trump above everything else, and everyone like him. I don't get how anyone can be so thoughtless, reckless and irresponsible, at a time when ice-caps are turning to rubble, island nations are being sucked under the sea, and coral reefs are dying. This is why I spend all of yesterday almost sick in work, barely able to concentrate or do my work, not helped by Sky News being on one of the screens and all day it was just fucking Trump, as if there was nothing else happening in the World.

I get that Trump fans and Progressives like Sanders and Michael Moore are rightfully pointing out the working class weren't being listened to by the Dems. That they were sick of their jobs disappearing etc. I get Trump appealed to this side of them. I could nearly tolerate Trump, despite my personal reservations, if he said that he was going to reinvigorate America by expanding green industry and saying a fuck you to other nations waving around their World Trade Agreements and complaining about protectionism and anti-capitalism (a set back I've seen too often, one of many teeth kickings). But he didn't. He and his right-wing, backward-thinking cronies are going the totally wrong way and may cause a chain-reaction of other countries wondering why they should bother if the World's biggest polluter doesn't.

I've spent all day trying to be optimistic. Maybe he won't be able to simply renege on the Paris agreement like he thinks he can. It could be that doing so makes him incredibly unpopular, I mean even more so, as 63% of Americans now accept climate science. Maybe the American public will simply start switching to green by themselves and demand for renewables will increase by themselves. Perhaps with the green revolution in China America won't want to slip behind and let them be a World leader. Or I'm wrong about a chain reaction and the rest of the World ignores America and moves forward with clean energy plans, making America look bad.

I'm trying to come to some acceptance of Trump today and think ahead, but you have to understand he goes against everything I stand for. Everything I've believed almost all my life. It's not merely that I think little of him as a person. So let me have my liberal whine. I'm sure I'll be right in a few days. But don't on one hand criticise the Left, rightfully I think, for not listening to blue collar workers, but dismiss my concerns as "butthurt" on the other.

[Brian Peacock]

Locked.

Trump-related discourse continues at 'The Reign Of Trump' thread: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1684869

Clinton-related discourse continues at the 'The Hillary-Thread' thread: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 22&t=51500