The Hillary-thread

[Forty Two]

I've seen the future. At least next year anyways. Hilary the trial....everything you wanted to know about those emails. Over and over again forever. And you'll be wishing for a firing squad too, at the end.

STOP PRESS! Clintons seeking refuge in Ecuadorian embassy.

Reaction from Ecuadoran ambassador....

[Sean Hayden]

Bullshit Tero

People thought she was corrupt. Those people stayed home or went shopping. If there were people from that group who might have voted, their conscience wouldn't let them after the Fed's announcement that they were looking into more of her emails.

Also, less racism than sexism -really? WTF - Obama didn't win because there is less racism than sexism, but because the cult of personality is stronger than either.

[Tero]

Trump is corrupt. The Clintons have charitable and political goals that interact. Trump has only greed and some charisma for the angry whites. Last gasp of white males.

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah, but lets talk about what we're ignoring. All the dumb ass democrats who can't vote unless they can idolize the president.

[Tero]

This will play big next time. We need basically another Obama. Michelle?

[Sean Hayden]

I have no idea. Obama was pulled from a hat wasn't he?

[cronus]

She should have lost weight. Our PM is slim, fit and mean.

[laklak]

I called it months ago - the left overplayed it's hand. The urban left lives in a bell jar, they are completely out of touch with the majority of the country. They only interact with other leftists, and dismiss out of hand any dissenting opinion, labeling "fly-over country" a bunch of no account, racist, ignorant hicks. The sneering attitudes of the liberal elite don't play well in the Rust Belt. They completely missed the rising tide of dissatisfaction among the working class (or maybe the unemployed class). When you're working two jobs to make ends meet, your retirement fund has evaporated, your kids attend a crumbling school, your health insurance is unaffordable, your home is worth a fraction of what you owe - the problems of a bunch of urban university kids pissing and moaning about free tuition or Black Lives Matter activists railing about "white privilege" don't mean dick. "Privilege", they ask? What fucking privilege?

They voted for change in '08 and '12 and got bupkis. They're pissed off, they feel like the "establishment" has been lying to them and cynically manipulating them for decades. That's true, of course, and whether The Donald is just another card in the Illuminati's hand remains to be seen.

Traditional liberalism as espoused by the Democrats is dead. The GOP has the Presidency, the Senate, the House, and now the Supreme Court. Forget 2nd Amendment restrictions, forget Obamacare, forget $15 an hour minimum wage, forget all that shit, it ain't gonna happen.

[Tero]

Liberalism isn't dead, it's just concentrated wrong. The liberal/redneck split US.

[mistermack]

When all of the Mexes have been sent home, you won't GET anyone for fifteen dollars an hour.

You want fifteen dollars an hour to clean my house ??? YOU'RE HIRED !!

Or could he have been lying???? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh !!!

[laklak]

Lol the Mexes ain't leaving, they'll be "guest workers". Trump is no dummy, he knows who mows the lawn and cleans the pool.

[Forty Two]

Here's my own list.

1) Immigration. This is the big one. Basically, they all ignored what the people were thinking. It was no big secret. She should have been hard on illegals. She got some latinos but lost the big time voters. If she'd promised a wall too, she'd now be President-Elect.
2) Global warming. The voters don't believe that bollocks, and resent all the money being wasted and jobs being put in the bin, just to appease the alarmists.
3) She should NEVER EVER have raised her voice in speeches. It's the main thing that puts people off her.
It's more of a screech than a speech.
4) Guns. She should never EVER have given the slightest hint that she'd like to increase gun restrictions.
Not if she wanted to get elected. What a no-brainer.
5) She should have praised the lord at every opportunity. Another no-brainer.

She could easily have won the election, with one or any combination of the above.
It's a self-made defeat. But she thought she was winning, and didn't need to give an inch on any of the above. Over confidence did for her.

I agree with 1, but that's only part of the problem. The issue is one of fundamental fairness or the perception thereof. People don't like the idea of folks getting around the rules. It's why legal immigrants that I know get really pissed off a the illegals who come in, and scam their way to residence, and while they are here and illegal they work under the table and secure government benefits while doing it. I know people will claim that that doesn't happen, but I know for a fact that it does. We can only argue about the extent of it. But, when people think of this issue, they don't care about the detail of how often or rare it happens - it shouldn't happen. Same with improper voting, where people vote for relatives that died, or vote in multiple polling locations, and that kind of thing - the voter fraud issue - you aren't going to get most people to think it's unfair to have to have a piece of identification to vote, when we have to have a piece of identification to buy a six-pack of beer, or to open a bank account.

Also, she totally ran on the "I'll keep things the same" ticket, when the groundswell of people were not happy with it. They didn't want the candidate who is liked by Goldman Sachs and the rest of Wall Street. They don't want Obamacare, because it's costing people a lot of fucking money, except those getting the subsidies. They see their jobs being siphoned off overseas, and they see Hillary as wanting to keep on that road, while Trump was promising to turn the spigot off.

All in favor of Change? Trump was and is promising real change. Remember all the glorious Obama speeches about how "this is the moment" when we'd see the rising oceans start to subside, and we'd see all poor and downtrodden treated fairly and all that talk of wonderful change to make everything fair and make the rich pay their fair share. Well, the rich are paying the same share and the middle class got fucked in the ass, hard, no grease, and not even a kiss on the cheek. That's how the middle class feels about it.

So, what Hillary did wrong was basically tell the common person that if they like the ass fucking they've been getting, she'll keep it going with a strap on when she gets in.

It's basic shit -- the people want business and industry to succeed so that they can have places to work so they can live in a decent neighborhood and raise a family. Handouts and subsidies they don't want. Trump ran on the notion that we can improve the economy so that businesses and industry can flourish in the US, and the people will have places to work. It's really that simple.

The guns thing is one where the people perceive hillary as just being untruthful about her position. She claims to support an individual right to bear arms, and such, but I think most people know this is one of her "public vs. private" position issues. They don't believe her. Trump actually came out and said that gun owners have to be reasonable about some reasonable gun regulations. Nobody bothered much about it, because they believe him when he says he doesn't want to ban guns or the like. They believe his position on guns.

Praising the lord didn't matter. Trump never did, yet the evangelicals voted for him. The reality is, if Hillary praised the lord in her speeches all the time, people wouldn't believe her. They know she changes her accent and her promises to fit the audience. Trump never did that. He said the same shit, good, bad, indifferent, no matter what. He'd go on news programs unscripted and open to any questions and just tell people what he was thinking. Even if sometimes he said stupid shit, people at least believed he was telling them what he believed and thought. The electorate wanted that. Someone who, even if they disagree with it, is at least telling you what his true feelings are on a topic.

Global warming is something that is indirect. It's not something people are seeing right in front of them every day. So, it's a luxury issue - one where people get concerned about it after the bottom levels of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs are fulfilled. You won't have middle-America focusing on global warming when their health insurance premiums tripled, and their local factories and other workplaces have closed down, and then they're asked to pay higher taxes so that they can go to subsidize 20 million people who aren't legally in the country to begin with.

[Forty Two]

When all of the Mexes have been sent home, you won't GET anyone for fifteen dollars an hour.

How about we ship the illegal aliens to the UK? Do you guys want them cleaning your pools?

You want fifteen dollars an hour to clean my house ??? YOU'RE HIRED !!

That's about what they charge. We have a cleaning lady who shows up for three hours or so and we have to pay her $75.

Or could he have been lying???? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh !!!

He could be, but he made promises, and he has a House and the Senate full of Republicans. He better deliver.

[Forty Two]

Traditional liberalism as espoused by the Democrats is dead. The GOP has the Presidency, the Senate, the House, and now the Supreme Court. Forget 2nd Amendment restrictions, forget Obamacare, forget $15 an hour minimum wage, forget all that shit, it ain't gonna happen.

And, good riddance.

[Forty Two]

Yeah, but lets talk about what we're ignoring. All the dumb ass democrats who can't vote unless they can idolize the president.

They voted. A lot of them voted for Trump. Like in Wisconsin, where a whole swath of counties that were blue in the last two elections turned bright red last night. And, Michigan where the blue collar folks in Macomb County and western Wayne county went Trump. They were Obama before.