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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:11 am

What if I don't give consent to myself?
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:14 am

pErvin wrote:What if I don't give consent to myself?
Go to the local cop shop and charge yourself with rape!
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:59 pm

Consent is not as simple as whether consent was given or not.

To be valid consent, any alleged consent must be clear, communicated, verbal, enthusiastic, the responsibility of the initiator, ongoing, and can be renegotiated or withheld at any time. So, even if one consented, if consent was only half-hearted, it's rape Also, you have to keep asking. You can't just assume that each thrust is consented. Proper fucking requires a clearly communicated request for verbal consent upon each whole or partial withdrawal. Proceeding with a new thrust is contingent upon receipt of a clear and enthusiastic affirmative verbal response (a mere - o.k., go ahead, is rape - there must be enthusiasm). There must always be sufficient pause between strokes to obtain the renewed consent, so it's rape to get rhythmic stroking going, because that doesn't allow for a change of mind between strokes The pause upon whole or partial withdraw also requires negotiation - the recipient of the next thrust may have terms which need to be honored before the next thrust is to begin.

And, if you think you can just take her legs and put them up on your shoulders, think again. Any change in position requires additional enthusiastic consents. If she's not clear that it's o.k. to "go a little deeper" then the additional depth is rape, even if the first several inches were consented to.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:05 pm

Science. It's a masculine disorder. http://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/85spp.html
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by Cunt » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:24 pm

Couldn't read it. pErvin opressed me, and I don't have a safe space.
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by rainbow » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:01 am

Forty Two wrote:Consent is not as simple as whether consent was given or not.

To be valid consent, any alleged consent must be clear, communicated, verbal, enthusiastic, the responsibility of the initiator, ongoing, and can be renegotiated or withheld at any time. So, even if one consented, if consent was only half-hearted, it's rape Also, you have to keep asking. You can't just assume that each thrust is consented. Proper fucking requires a clearly communicated request for verbal consent upon each whole or partial withdrawal. Proceeding with a new thrust is contingent upon receipt of a clear and enthusiastic affirmative verbal response (a mere - o.k., go ahead, is rape - there must be enthusiasm). There must always be sufficient pause between strokes to obtain the renewed consent, so it's rape to get rhythmic stroking going, because that doesn't allow for a change of mind between strokes The pause upon whole or partial withdraw also requires negotiation - the recipient of the next thrust may have terms which need to be honored before the next thrust is to begin.

And, if you think you can just take her legs and put them up on your shoulders, think again. Any change in position requires additional enthusiastic consents. If she's not clear that it's o.k. to "go a little deeper" then the additional depth is rape, even if the first several inches were consented to.
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by JimC » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:02 am

Cunt wrote:Couldn't read it. pErvin opressed me, and I don't have a safe space.
...there's always room between your ears...
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:32 am

In a vacuum, no one can hear you scream.
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by rainbow » Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:07 am

True but your eyes pop out and your head explodes.

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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by Cunt » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:23 pm

pErvin wrote:In a vacuum, no one can hear you scream.
have you ever wondered what people will do, when they feel free to insult? I think they will do whatgives them pleasure. Just a theory though.
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:30 pm

rainbow wrote:
Forty Two wrote:Consent is not as simple as whether consent was given or not.

To be valid consent, any alleged consent must be clear, communicated, verbal, enthusiastic, the responsibility of the initiator, ongoing, and can be renegotiated or withheld at any time. So, even if one consented, if consent was only half-hearted, it's rape Also, you have to keep asking. You can't just assume that each thrust is consented. Proper fucking requires a clearly communicated request for verbal consent upon each whole or partial withdrawal. Proceeding with a new thrust is contingent upon receipt of a clear and enthusiastic affirmative verbal response (a mere - o.k., go ahead, is rape - there must be enthusiasm). There must always be sufficient pause between strokes to obtain the renewed consent, so it's rape to get rhythmic stroking going, because that doesn't allow for a change of mind between strokes The pause upon whole or partial withdraw also requires negotiation - the recipient of the next thrust may have terms which need to be honored before the next thrust is to begin.

And, if you think you can just take her legs and put them up on your shoulders, think again. Any change in position requires additional enthusiastic consents. If she's not clear that it's o.k. to "go a little deeper" then the additional depth is rape, even if the first several inches were consented to.
You could play with yourself.
But, if I don't do it with enthusiasm, then I'm raping myself....
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by rainbow » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:10 am



It is also Colonialist!
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by Forty Two » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:39 pm

These people are fucking ridiculous.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by Svartalf » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:49 pm

Something is rotten in the land of Denmark, I just agreed with something 42 said.
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Re: Science is Sexist

Post by Forty Two » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:57 pm

The Nobel Prize committee is sexist! http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/ ... 4-08-37-10

LOL - no case for a specific candidate being overlooked in favor of a less or even equally deserving candidate....just...well....

...oh, wait...yes, I have it. The value of a discovery or work is a social construct. We can't really say one discovery or work is better than another discovery or work, because the basis of that judgment is rooted in the values of the culture in which it the discovery or work is derived. Thus, the work of women is undervalued in a patriarchal, capitalist, heteronormative society, and therefore the Nobel Prize committed awards prizes based on those sexist and misogynistic assumptions as to what does and does not have worth.

It's like beauty - the only reason we find fat people less attractive than thin people is a social construct built on discriminatory norms. The same goes for how we value a writing, scientific discovery, or other achievement. The only reason we value the discovery of new phases of matter or the development of molecular machines as more valuable or worthy than other discoveries is the inherent bias toward the patriarchy and the misogyny inherent in the system. Come see the misogyny inherent in the system!
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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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